you [Music] good afternoon everybody welcome to our tid and our work session it's july 26 um i would like for you all to please stand and give a moment of silence for the loss of life of janet tracy volunteer fire friday firefighter who passed away last tuesday and also to honor our men and women at the las cruces police department and fire department for their service to our community thank you counselor i paid this to be will you please lead us in the pledge i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you so we are um at our tax increment development district board meeting um and um we have chris fair fair favor um that will be leading us today good afternoon chris good afternoon madam chair and members of the tidboard committee yes a resolution approving fy 2020 tid funding i'll get it ted funding um projects we have approval of the minutes from april 26 first and then discussion and then the resolution thank you christine you're welcome i'll get it together here yes we do have approval of the minutes of our tax increment development district board meeting april 26 2021 can i get a motion so moved motion made by counselor flores second second by counselor i think i hear you on a big oh i beat this doofy it's true mayor was saying how difficult it's been to hear people and it's absolutely true okay and a second by counselor beta stevie christine will you call the roll this is on the motion to approve the minutes from april 26 2021 board member abeda stube yes board member vasquez is absent board member ben cuomo yes board member sorek yes board member flores yes vice chair gandera yes and chair is absent thank you christine next up is 10 10 operational overview and tip project discussion chris favor you're on good afternoon everyone chris faber with economic development for the record so we're going to go through a presentation today starting off with an overview including the financial update finishing up fy21 a brief update on the current tid projects and then some proposed future tin tid options um that staff came up with and then after that they'll be the resolution for you to vote on we'll do the discussion about the proposed projects first and we also have some members of the amador foundation that would like to speak when we get to the portion about the amador as well so i will jump right in um just a reminder that the the tid all revenues that are generated uh from the tid go back into the tid it's 75 percent of every dollar collected goes back into the tid and then that remaining 25 percent goes back into grt the baselines were established when the tid was founded and those are the current baselines for each of the elements grt baseline county property tax baseline and clc property tax baseline here's the monthly breakdown of the previous year you can see that over the year that over the month excuse me over the year each of the months kind of steadily increased with some of our largest revenues coming in towards the end of the fiscal year and here's a year over year showing back from fy14 all the way to fy21 you can see there's a substantial increase over fy21 from fy20 so the within the tid there are three funds so fund 2815 is for revenue and operations the current balance is about 3.9 million fund 4270 which is unrestricted for capital projects is about 830 000 and fund 4271 which is restricted and specifically for street projects in the tid sits at about half a million dollars so the total is about 5.3 beginning fy22 so touch briefly on a couple of the current projects going on there's actually there's actually two right now so we are in the process of wrapping up the campo street redesign study and just to recap for everyone it was funded out of the tid moles and corbin and associates are the engineers that are on board and the purpose of the study was to evaluate the cultural impact architecture landscaping lighting and traffic within campo street with the idea of making it more accessible for pedestrians and to make it feel like it's more a part of downtown sorry i keep forgetting you guys are way over there um and so there were two public stakeholder meetings held one in january one in april um they are there's another one scheduled for august 19th and then the final report will be due to city in late summer probably sometime around september-ish from that they will be able to determine which design to move forward with design for that project will take between six to eight months and cost approximately ten percent of construction and the estimated construction costs are about two million dollars and these funds would come out of 42.71 which again is that fund that's dedicated specifically for street projects and the idea of getting the design done now would be that when there are funds for construction they would have the plans ready to go and they could move faster when they're ready to implement the construction of the projects the next project is parking lot 7 which i'm happy to report is currently underway right now that was about half a million dollars from tid funds that were allocated last fiscal year they will be redesigning the parking lot and the the best part about it is they will be redoing the bathroom facilities there and those are the bathroom facilities and parking lot 7 for those that don't know is the parking lot directly behind the rio grande theater so they will be demolishing those bathrooms building a larger restroom facility closer to la placita so currently they're working on the parking lot right now when that's wrapped up they will begin working on the restroom facilities and that's estimated to be complete sometime this fall so that wraps up current projects i don't know if you want to do questions now or wait till the end counts counselor sword thank you madam chair um uh chris i saw some work being done on the amador hotel is that the city work or is that something else yeah uh mountain vice chair uh chairman board member sorry i'll there is current projects going on and we're actually going to touch on those in this particular section and we're going to have a whole update on the amador hotel yeah but there are two current projects going on right now current name them please so there there's two one of them was the interior demolition where they were bringing and then the second one was the x the west exterior wall okay yeah okay when you said that's it i thought well no i've seen some other work done yeah so i wondered what you meant okay thank you thank you very much anybody else looking looking way over there okay no chris okay all right so now we'll move into proposed future tid priorities um and and we've gone through all these and aligned them with all of the city council strategic priorities um and we can show you those uh at the end when i have the budget put together so the the proposed projects right now are the is the actual redesign that i just spoke about of campo street and then reintroducing the pedestrian data tracking signs to downtown the purchase of some publix event sound equipment and some additional renovate renovate main street funding plaza money to move forward with the plaza shade structure and of course the amador hotel so starting off with the pedestrian data tracking so currently well they're not in use right now because sufa who's the contractor we were working with discontinued the signs that the city was using a few years ago and if you've ever been down main street and you've seen the benches with like the square sort of solar area in the middle that was the pedestrian data tracking they discontinued that model and they've reintroduced a new model which you can see up here on the screen this one collects the same cell phone data as before but it also provides some additional marketing opportunities through a high contrast digital screen that we would be able to control the messaging on and so what i'm proposing is that we purchase four of those to replace the existing sufa benches this would work in conjunction with the data that we're already collecting from the public wi-fi downtown but that's basically right around the plaza so this would extend our data capabilities to main street they are solar powered and all self-contained and like i said the sign is editable and that's about forty five thousand dollars for those particular sites the next uh project is to expand our renovate main street grant program so this previous fiscal year we did seven grants and for those that aren't familiar with that the city has a grant program that allows for businesses making certain upgrades to their their business uh up to twenty five thousand 000 matching grant for those for those efforts we had budgeted six out of this current budget year for economic development and we were looking to add a couple more from tid funding with the expectation that we might see uh greater interest now that we're sort of beyond the the major part of the covet shutdown and so we're looking for an additional fifty thousand dollars from the tid for those uh two extra grants next up is some sound equipment so um economic development is working on a plan to host and produce more events downtown on the plaza and the cayacitas and in order to do that we need um portable sound equipment that we can we can bring with us and set up for these particular events when we do these events they will be staffed with the sound and technical staff from the rio grande theater so we just need the equipment to be purchased so we'd be able to to do these events either on the plaza or in the kyacitas or at one of the parks maybe klein park or something like that and the approximate cost on that is about fifty thousand dollars moving on to the plaza shade structure um and there are um at least i hope so um members from uh public works to answer any additional questions so back at the august 24th work session council identified the shade structure that they um that they liked the most which was the decorative metal design and you can see a picture of it up here if we move forward with this funding construction would begin after the holidays in early january 2022 the estimated cost is about 1.3 million and the estimated completion time would be about six months amador hotel so i'm going to give everyone on the board a little bit of a background uh just to sort of bring everyone up to speed on some of the previous efforts talk a little bit about currently what's going on through public works um and then there's some members of the amador hotel foundation that would also like to speak to you so back in 2007 the the hotel was there was they were threatening to to demo the building the city stepped in and assumed ownership of the building and at that time the non-profit amador hotel foundation was formed with the goal of saving the facility and restoring the landmark for use in downtown from that time to today over a million dollars in grants private funds and legislative appropriation as well as in-kind donations have been tallied approximately 4 000 volunteer hours by nmsu engineering students and community volunteers have also been amassed and the foundation has been responsible for donations of furniture silver artwork valued at tens of thousands of dollars and it was also a requirement of members of the amador foundation to make a board gift as well so they were very instrumental in in securing artifacts as well as funding for the restoration of the building and back in 2009 city council at that time was presented with a few different options for the reuse of that building and out of the three options that they were presented they selected what was known as options three which consisted of an event center offices on the second floor a restaurant bar and a small museum exhibit and as part of that resolution council identified three top priorities one that the historic amadar hotel adaptive reuse study was accepted by council and would be the document to direct renovations moving forward again re-establishing that that was the option that they wanted to go with and then directing staff to basically do whatever needed to be done to get everything carried out and get the amador hotel back up in operations so current projects include the interior demo exterior wall reconstruction which if anyone has driven down water street in the last month or so they've seen the work that's been going on there measures to safeguard the building as we know there were some issues last fall so so taking measures to prevent that from happening and that current contract amount is about 935 000 um it's about 75 percent complete estimated completion time would be mid-october and when these projects are done that will basically expend all current money that the city has for the amador hotel and that's why we're we're coming to you today to look for some additional funding so what are the next steps so based on the historic evaluation report there are several next steps identified one would be the structure evaluation of the building to really tell what condition it's in and how to move forward with the rehab there would be building code analysis to also determine usage of the building in accordance with what was uh what was set forth in in the reusage plan preliminary rehabilitation report as well as the rehabilitation design including any rfps required and the design development that steady design and any construction that could be done during that phase is roughly 1.5 to 2 million dollars and that's what we're looking for the tid funds to help uh keep this project moving forward additional funds for the final build out would be an additional roughly six million dollars on that as well so beyond this opportunity for funding through the tid there are there are many other options that we can look at so once the building becomes federally recognized as historical building it would make us eligible for a whole bunch of federal and private funding source grants and that type of type of thing there's also the opportunity for the tid to continue to put money towards the project over the next several years and also for the city to prioritize the amador hotel on the cip and the icip for city and state appropriations so that concludes my presentation of those projects i know that was a lot of information we do have city staff here available for questions so thank you chris thank you counselor flores gil counselor's work thank you madam chair and thank you chris uh favor mr favor for your presentation insofar as the the funding you indicated that board members are required to make a contribution and are those contributions continuing are they consistent is it a pledge how does that work i will defer to members of the amador foundation to speak to that and i believe we do have a few of them here so heather pollard will come up and speak to that thank you chris uh councillor flores i'm heather pollard and president of the board councillor flores we have not been um really getting any pledges for the last during covet and our administrative funds were pretty much empty and so we've just been writing checks ourselves as the needs arose thank you miss pollard and thank you for your personal contributions as well as other board members during this time and i hope we're able to get more money from other sources from you too from other sources thank you miss pollard thank you and i i do have more questions for mr faber so um [Music] so the money we have now will complete um everything up until um well we've expended 935 000 and you said that that was for all the items you listed including the interior demolition uh how much are you looking at and for what specific projects because there's still about there's about 7.5 million dollars just based on your presentation that that it will take that much more to complete the entire is that what it'll take to complete the entire renovation 7.5 million um vice chair um gandala and chair flores i'm going to let public works come up and give a little bit more detail but that's roughly the estimate but she can jennifer can probably speak to specifics on that as well and then chris you would know specifically as to the sources that and that's why you want to go we get we're looking at getting cip money and other sources that is correct some of those were legislative funds that were they were gathered correct so we'll be sure to ask for that too thank you chris can i put this down hi there i'm jennifer morrow i'm the engineering administrator for the public works department for the city um and thank you for your questions counselor flores in regards to the funding um so these are our estimates at this time as you could see from the presentation we discussed that there had to be a structural analysis and a codes analysis so sometimes it's going to be hard for us to say this is exactly how much funding that we need the estimates we put in front of you are the best that we have at this timeline but those estimates could change once we get those structural reports back and see what they recommend also the other item that would change our funding is as you know with covid we've had significant price changes over the last year we don't know if if those wood prices metal prices are going to continue to increase or maybe if they'll come back down and the other item is typically in general with construction we see about a four percent increase every year so if we phase this and do it over four or five years we can anticipate that for uh four percent increase in those costs that we provided today so at this time those numbers are the best numbers we have so would that be a four times six years or seven years whatever it takes is it a four percent increase every year or is it over the for additional time period it's it's just a general cost of living increase or construction cost increase so if if we did a million dollars worth of construction this year and we still had five million we could anticipate it to be five million plus a four percent increase and then if we got like another phase of one or two million and we still have that three million add another four percent per year so it's it'll all depend on how much money we can get and how quickly we can get through the phasing or through the recommendations for that construction since we are unsure of the money and we don't know whether we'll get one big chunk of money that we can do everything quickly or whether we're gonna have to phase it into one million two dollar two million dollar projects and you know have those staggered through the next five years will determine those increases over time i see and ms maro when do you anticipate having those structural reports back in the analyses um for us to do those structural reports we need to have about 1.5 to 2 million and that is why we are here before the board because that is what we're looking for is money for us to be able to get those reports completed and then to move on to the construction phasing but you did say waiting for reports so did you mean you after the structural analysis we'd be waiting so we're not waiting now let's see if i can get this um let's go back to the did i go the right way chris um okay so the current projects um i was looking for sorry we may not have it in there so we've already done that oh it is the historic evaluation report so we have the historic evaluation report that we're working with and part of that recommendation is the structural report and the building code analysis those are the reports that we need to do to move forward so the only report we have at this time is that historical one and then chris i don't know if this is for either you or for tomorrow but you indicated that it is waiting for federal recognition or certification as a national historic site or um vice chair gandala a board member florida so part of the reason they're doing the internal demolition right now is to get the building back to its basically original structure at that point in time they will evaluate where it's at and and and hopefully it will be able to qualify for federal recognition as a historic property and at that point in time we would be open to other doors to other funding opportunities would be available to us but a lot of these steps now have to be completed before that determination can be made with the 1.5 million at this point if that was allocated would that take care of getting that that step done and then move forward to moving it to federal recognition i believe so well it'd be a lot more encouraging well i would defer to public works on that since they know specifics but from from all of our conversations i would say yes that money would get us to where we we need to be we could submit it to um the federal arts or whatever i think greg knows more about that than i do but um to the to to get federal recognition which has given us more funds yes dr cooper from the um amador foundation is with us today and she might be able to speak specifically to that point if she wants to come up here and or heather pollard as well uh councillor farzan uh neglected to say that i'm happy please this is heather pollard again i'm president of the amador hotel foundation um i neglected to say um when an answer to your question that many of the board members have um contributed not just writing a check every year but ten thousand dollars each for the room rehabilitation one board member has donated twenty thousand dollars uh we also have prepared for you and we i'll give this to chris but um there are 24 following options um for funding opportunities that we have put together so it's not just legislative money or tid money there is american rescue plan new mexico community development department of transportation it it just really goes on and on and on so we do know that um we're we're not coming to you hat in hand for the entire amount we do have other funding possibilities i'll give this to chris to uh disseminate us to you thank you miss pollard my question was specifically as to whether once it's recognized federally as a as an historic site many meant yes it would it would open open up many many doors absolutely absolutely so we would be missing those opportunities um i'd like to uh introduce dr sonja cooper uh dr cooper and her um her partner um jean fulton at the amateur hotel have put in together hundreds of thousands of hours and dr cooper has um as you noticed with her students from new mexico state and their high pay was pizza pizza pizza so um this is a dr sonja cooper she is a structural engineer and she'll certainly be able to answer many more questions than i can as a layperson thank you thank you again miss following thank you mr pollard miss pollard hi dr cooper come on to the front yes and please state your name for the record good afternoon counselors sonja cooper and i am a member of the amador hotel board thank you for having us today let me let me clear up a couple of things the historic structures report do we name it the acronym of the hsr that that report will give us a pathway for designation as a national land historic landmark once we get the designation of a national historic landmark that then opens up the funding that you've been talking about that heather's been talking about at the state level at the national level and through a lot of organizations professional and private and government organizations that have put aside a lot of money for bricks and sticks and mortar for national landmarks as well so it opens up a plethora of funding opportunities once we get that designation the hsr the historic structures report will be is about to be turned in i think that um we are the the architect has dedicated uh august or september for that um so it's very soon to be completed uh so so we're we're on a good path there um i do want to take this time to to complement and thank public works and the contractor for the work that they're doing on the west wall i don't know if you've driven by i'm out there a lot and we get a bunch of horn hawks and thumbs up and it's been a really a gratifying thing to see we have a very good team of public works personnel contractor personnel and adobe and line plaster mason subcontra subcontractors all working together this type of work requires careful sequencing and checks and balances between each other and coordination so the funding to your question uh councilor flores the the 1.5 funding and this is in line with what public works has been saying um in in in my mind that's that will help us continue around to the south and the north facade to complete the historic portion of the building as far as the exterior goes that's to that's approximately and these are these are updated numbers and costs given to us by the architect of record for this project that that particular funding is about 000 it will also include the window sash rehabilitation on all the historic facades so the north the west and the south um also what will the reason to me why that is important is because we've got the best of the best artisans on site right now the best adobe masons and the best lime plasters in the region and we want to keep them there because they are they are well sought after in many projects so i think that this funding will do is it'll help us continue around and keep that excitement up with the with the citizens seeing the progress of the building also with that funding the architect for the re adaptive reuse can proceed with design and development drawings so additional scopes can be done that 1.5 million can also start the bid packages for the utility extensions and connections and rebuilding of the east walls and the structural code analysis that have been mentioned all those together are are things that can be done without completion of the full uh bid package for the adaptive reuse plans and design and redevelopment so this this this funding um will allow us to do many things and jump start the next phases while meanwhile simultaneously we can be asking for writing these grants for that additional money so thank you would request for certification also go run parallel to that or subsequent to that this process that you just went through what point would the certification request for certification be submitted um after all of that is done oh no no no it'd be confusing sooner yeah yes thank you so much dr okay thank you thank you dr cooper thank you councillor flores that concludes your questions counselor uh thank you madam chair um and thank you chris and heather and dr cooper and all um yeah some of the questions i had were kind of answered by uh what the questions that counselor flores asked however i just wanted to um make comment on on the hotel itself i i've been told a lot of the history over the last 12 so years of the hotel and i'm i'm totally surprised as the importance of this hotel to the history of las cruces [Music] it's it's an extremely important part of our history here and considering the age of this hotel and the type of construction i can only imagine the problems that uh are going to have to do it and it's going to take a little some extra money to to to do it so um i'm all in favor of this however um i i have a personal um well i was going to mention too i'll never forget the uh the celebration we had there for the centennial of new mexico it was quite a a thing that went on there including a actor that acted out the part of the president of the united states at the time um and so many many other things too um so i'm thinking in my mind this could even possibly be a national monument i wouldn't rule it out so we get it all fixed up maybe we'll go for that too um so uh if we need more money i would say i've been in favor of having it done taken out of the tid future to revenue oh and then two there was uh in here there was a statement about how how to use the hotel and um a bar and restaurant was mentioned i'm kind of wondering about that because i think that was kind of mentioned or decided on or are brought up before the uh amador complex where there's we have a couple three restaurants and a bar there already maybe another bar and restaurant isn't going to be useful there so i'm just throwing that out there that might be something we want to consider but there's a lot of other things we can use the building for for sure and of course when people come here for whatever reason for our outdoors and for space travel or what have you this will be a good added feature to our visitors to las cruces so madam chair thank you that's all i had to say thank you counselor sore counselor abate the stubby thank you vice chair canada and thank you mr faber uh board member flores was very thorough with her questions today so you got most of those thank you um but i did want to make a few comments um with regards to the type of funding i think my main concern is making sure that at least the exterior of the building is safe and also appealing as much work as we're doing in the downtown we want to make sure that we're not subtracting any of that aesthetic value as well so with this additional 1.5 to 2 million dollars would that cover to make sure that at least the exterior portion would be fully renovated at least for safety or if not what might that cost this is jennifer morrow again thank you for your question councillors david a big just davey the answer to that is yes as you know in the past we've had troubles with people breaking in and issues with the building and keeping it secure so one of the things that we're going to focus on with this monies that we are requesting from the tid right now is to secure the building and ensure that that we won't have that problem in the future okay fantastic thank you i am in support of uh using the tit funding for this project um and i can hear the passion and love from much of the community over this area and so i look forward to seeing the different types of renovation thank you madam chair thank you thank you councillor made this to be counselor lincoln thank you madam chair and you're doing great we're all a little rusty so um thank you mr favor i have a couple questions i'll leave my amador questions to the end okay um um i guess the big i was disappointed to not see any language in here about the small business incubator that we had previously discussed at the tid meeting can you report back on that sure um board member gonda board member ben como so there was some concern from city staff about tid funds being used for the purposes of an incubator and so right now we're working with budget and legal to evaluate whether that is uses that that we can spend the tid money on so we sort of ran out of time before this meeting to complete that so we're working on that and we should know better here in the next few weeks or so in the next few weeks so if legal gets back to us and says yes absolutely doable where does that leave us in terms of funding uh so we could look at future future funds through the tid to look at this project moving forward so we would we would revaluate monies moving forward and and and see how that funds the project what do you what do you think the timeline for that be to fully fund a business small business incubator so right now we're going through a feasibility study so that's supposed to wrap up this fall and we should have a better sense of what those total costs would look like and what that program would look like on the other side of that we were estimating somewhere in the neighborhood of of 2.2 million to fund um the facility plus any sort of upgrades or renovations plus three years of operating so that was what we were looking at preliminarily um that was the most recent numbers we had and and i guess i meant more in terms of um if legal says we're able to go forward between this tid meeting and what next hid meeting could be actually be having a concrete conversation about funding that project so the next tidd meeting is in october and we can look to have something uh one way or the other back to the tip board at that time okay and do you think there'd be funds or are these projects expending the current funds that tid has i i feel like with future revenues and some of the money that we currently have i think we would be able to to find money to get the incubator moving forward if that was the direction the board wanted to go in yeah okay i would like i'm honestly i would like a little bit more confidence in that because i think to me personally the small businesses incubator feels a lot more urgent than shade at the plaza um i think i expressed that as well at our last hid meeting i may be in the minority and on the council but to me a small business incubator feels significantly important right now as we enter this sort of post pandemic world we're still in a pandemic i'm not entirely sure we're in a post pandemic but as you know businesses begin to recover as people who perhaps started home based build businesses in the last year and a half that to me seems incredibly important i'll just leave it there that wasn't a question but madam chair i just really want to note that that to me seems significant again the 1.3 million for shade seems like a lot of money to me um i remember though this being the price that was estimated for shade structures with solar is that am i incorrect uh board member ben como so um this proposal moving forward does not include shade and we have sustainability here to speak to that because i said without shade i meant without solar because that was going to move forward through the community solar program and so this project when it was originally proposed i believe came in just a little bit under a million and then with additional taxes and other you know stuffed on top of that plus an increase for construction costs the 1.3 was identified as the current amount to fund that particular design okay i that's a really hard one for me 1.3 million dollars for shade is a lot of money um okay i'll move on thank you um the reimbursement program chris can you talk more about that about its effectiveness how many uh businesses have we been able to reimburse through this project and um sort of that kind of information board member women come are you referring to the renovate main street program yeah so no no that's fine so um you know in my time in in downtown about the last year working with economic development on this we did seven i know there's been a few previous to the program it began i believe back in 2017 and so economic development has been funding this program every year we like i said we did seven in the last fiscal year which was a lot i thought considering it was during coven and so we're sort of anticipating an increase next year but um it's been used for mateo's as one of the restaurants that has used those funds common culture which is a new beauty salon that's being developed on water street is used with some of those funds the pharmacy that's going in at the end sort of category to amador live those they've applied for some of those funds so they've gone to a lot of businesses that are starting and will be new in downtown and i think it's a really essential program for sort of getting that you know downtown moving again and helping a local business who may need just a little bit of extra money to to do the renovations that they want and it's all geared towards the type of business that's like entertainment restaurants those types of things which is what we're focusing on to bring more to downtown that's amazing that makes me a lot more excited than shade no shade on the shade but i am a lot more excited about these kind of projects being funded what is the i don't know the total budget for renovate main street uh chairman cuomo so out of the economic development budget right now we have funded for um funding for six so i believe that's 200 000 is what we've put into is that right 200 no four i don't know i think i think we have about two hundred thousand dollars in there and we were looking for an additional fifty thousand dollars to um just get us to eight which we feel would be a good number for this year so we've budgeted some we just didn't have enough in our budget to do the full funding that we thought would be important for this year okay i given how incredible you you say it has been i feel like you know 50 000 to me it doesn't feel like enough and i feel like if we're going to make an investment in downtown that's what it looks like especially for people who are excited to open up the kind of businesses that we would like to see so thank you for that i was i'm excited to hear all of that um okay now i'm gonna move on to my amador questions so the current contract of 935 i think i'm not sure if i got that last number right those are um all city public dollars um board member bencomo i believe a lot of those are state appropriations um that that make up the bulk of that okay thank you the rehab report that has not been completed yet um board member como i believe that some of the work that they're doing now will help them finalize that which is what dr cooper was speaking to which should be done in the next couple months as these projects are wrapped up and provide the last bit of information for that process yes thank you dr cooper you provided excellent information i also a lot of my questions were answered honestly my last question around the amador is um this idea of a restaurant or adding a kitchen to it seems like it'll be significantly more expensive i was there at one point conversation about how and then also probably adds competition to another big city investment which is the amador patio and grill restaurant has there been conversations about how those two entities will work together in the future uh board member ben cuomo um i i've spoken to the owner of amador live a little bit about that i mean i believe there were some discussions as it relates to catering for events and those types of things this was adapted before amador live was up and running so i think the idea of a restaurant may need to be you know looked at it again to see how that fits in maybe they tweak it a little bit so it's not a you know something that's in direct competition but i mean i have spoken with with the owner over there about some of those opportunities okay i mean those two these two properties right are significant city investments i think it'd be important for them to collaborate um those are all my questions but i will just come back to um the las cruces plaza shade i'm curious if um yeah i mean i just i remember the big price tag being because of the solar um but now we're sort of at the same place at 1.3 million without the solar is there any flexibility here that just seems like so much money for shade um board member benchmark can ask public works to speak on that again these are just recommendations the board is free to do what they want to do with the money if if they are looking to put that money someplace else but i believe for that particular design that is what the estimates are coming in at is is 1.3 million yes i mean there were other designs that were proposed but this was the one that the council sort of wanted to move forward with okay all right chris thank you so much for the information thank you madam chair thank you cancer bingo my counselor's work thank you madam chair um i just almost forgot uh as far as the amador hotel we of course have to have a place for our ghosts that live in that hotel there our paranormal activity has been measured there and so we need a home for them so we have to make sure we do a good job on the hotel and then as far as the sun's share sun shade structure um now i kind of thought this was the same i agree with council bencom it was a pretty steep number in my mind and this may not be practical and i'll i'll accept that for sure that if we had something that could be removable in the wintertime i am like from november to march when we don't need the shade so much a little extra sunshine might be good um so that's what i thought we were going to do at one time i forgot about this that what we have here now so i'm just going to state that that's as a possibility if it's practical i can understand if it's not practical thank you thank you counselor sorg and i see david coming up to the podium mr seville hi thank you vice chair david cedillo public works director for the record and to answer both questions from board member bencomo and sorg the price increase yes it is similar to what we saw come forward initially for the solar the increases that we're seeing now are due to those cost increases for both material and labor that we've seen on a lot of projects this is a steel structure so yes it those prices have increased that's why we're seeing that difference because we're going and getting those estimates now so wanted to clear that up as far as the removable structure this was the plan that was approved at the last meeting so we're we're moving forward with this however we can take a look to see if there are removable and re report back and see what those cost if any increases that would be report back to to the board i would appreciate that a lot thank you very much madam chair thank you counselors or to follow up counselor binklemon mr seville's comments yes go for it thank you madam chair thank you mr cedillo do we ex if you look into your magic ball and look into the future do you expect the cost of those construction of construction and materials to go down eventually at some point vice chair board member ben como at this point in time we're not anticipating any near future markdowns what we are seeing is that the market is going to stay steady for quite a while and then we're anticipating probably within about a year to a year and a half we may ski we may start to see the market move back down again that's all dependent on very quite a bit of variables within the market itself but we don't anticipate any immediate de-escalation of costs madam chair mr favor mr cedillo is there an urgency to get the shades up at the plaza board member ben como chris favor for the record um the direction that we were given was to have it up for next summer so that's the timeline that we've been operating under so that's the latest information i have on that uh man i'm sure i know that this is your district district one i would pose the same question to you honestly i feel like i don't see any particular urgency perhaps um you do or your constituents thanks councillor bin come on no you know um since i got elected this was something that has been in the queue for some time you know the plaza once it got built then we've had several public comment opportunities and there is a portion of the community obviously that wants struck them shade there when you go and you attend activities entertainment it gets pretty warm even in the evening hours um i do know that based on um emails that i've received that the arts and cultural district the downtown partnership there's many organizations downtown that would like to be a part of the conversation be at the table as we are developing you know the specs and the design if you will i mean i think this could look like an excellent art project um an art installation if you will so um i i'm anxious to get it up i think there are folks that feel very strongly that um this needs to get to to get up i mean i've been on council six years so um i think it's some i'm advocating for it to be up um but if i hear you know um a strong um let's let's wait and and and and see what the market looks like i'm also willing to to to hear that for sure counselor ben gomo thank you um vice chair i would personally recommend that i would i feel like 1.3 is a significant amount of money for shades that will provide tents that will provide shade especially if we get you know a month from now in legal reports back that the business incubator you know there's a green light on that and what 1.3 million dollars could do for a business incubator as opposed to shade at the plaza um i would i met him i don't know what to do here i just i would like us to wait on the the shade structures i'll take note counselor ben come on counselor available thank you madam vice chair i had a couple extra questions when it comes to the stage structure i know that there was some concerns with parks and rec on different types of items that we used at the plaza specifically when it came time for i think it was the christmas tree that within these designs and plans did we work through any of those issues that were brought up last time board member beta stewbe um they sent me an email today to remind me of those concerns and to you know mention that they would be incorporated into any design that was put forward so city staff is aware that if we move forward with this project there's a few things like that that we need to that we need to work into the design to make sure that they do accommodate everything as well okay thank you um i also am in favor of pausing for another look it is quite a bit of money but if this is something that can be put as an arts installation if there's other funding mechanisms that can be used utilized for that i would be open to learning more the second portion that i had was actually on your pedestrian data tracking and i know you had originally said they were down because the vendors changed the flyers with the new um flyers uh that are coming out is that going to prevent having to have to change those as often board member peter steve so that is the hope yeah they discontinued the benches a few years ago and this was the new design they went with and from all my conversations i've had with the company this looks like the model that they will be continuing to move forward with so i don't anticipate any massive changes like the previous ones we have moving forward maybe just upgrades to the operating systems and things like that but this looks like the design that they've switched their whole business model to basically okay um will there be any sort of um contract reassurance say at least giving you three years board remember i made the stupid yeah i believe it's it's for five years and then at that point in time we we re-evaluate and and could move forward with something different or continue or if they've got something upgraded yeah so it's not a forever situation okay thank you um and i'm also in favor of the sound equipment i know there are lots of performances going on at that plaza and that will be much needed thank you vice chair thank you councillor bethesda v um okay chris vice chair before we wrap up heather pollard wanted to just introduce a couple quick people to speak about the amador they promised not to take a lot of time so i'll turn it over to heather thank you chris again heather pollard president of the amador hotel foundation in answer to uh your question uh councillor sorg no and i believe councillor ben como the slide that showed the restaurant is an old slide we should have taken that out we have no plans whatsoever to build a restaurant but we certainly do have plans to work with catering with the restaurants around us it's a perfect opportunity for us to for the amador to open their doors to restaurants i was feeling that perhaps counselors organ and and our uh council we're probably getting a little sick of just looking at deb dennis and i year after year after year before you so uh also we wanted to you to know that there are other people whose hearts be just as strongly as ours in this community and so i have three people um who were like to speak and they won't take more than three minutes each and one of them is francis williams who i think you all know is a local icon and a good soldier and the other is emeritus pro tam dolores archuleta and then um mr martin amador campbell so if you would uh bear with us we would be happy for you to hear their testimonials thank you so much miss williams yes the legends of amador hotel oh by the way chris you know you could lower that maybe it's down all the way okay my name is francis seth williams i'm a citizen of las cruces new mexico and have been for many years i want to thank you counselors for allowing us to speak about the amador hotel and also giving me the opportunity to speak about some of my personal feelings i grew up in the israel orphan asylum in new york city and it was a horrible place to be but the nice thing about it they used to show western movies and i imagine myself riding along with gene autry john wayne and catching the bad guys moving west to las cruces was like a dream come true for me and my profession has led me uh to work on getting to get bad guys as a civil rights officer and i'm sure some of you are familiar with my work my love affair with the city has remained constant for 68 years and i have committed myself and my finances to making this a better place to live and preserve the history of the past the avador hotel has been one of those projects i have purchased a room at the amador hotel because it is part of the history of the city and its restoration i believe and i know will be an important part of economic development of downtown the building should be shared not only by the residents of las cruces but also by their children and the visitors to this area i want to inject here that this is a very famous place uh you know space history was made here uh new development that changed the world with the building of the atomic bomb at white sands missile range and i would like to also add that we are rehabilitating that museum and it will be done in 2022 and will also have its share of people and tourists coming so i see going from the amador hotel our historic pass into the future of space and i'm very very proud of that i'm also here to speak for the late liddell stern zuckerberg her parents were ej and mabel stern and in 1968 they donated the lions that proudly sit at the entrance of this building the stearns emigrated from hungary and they became very prosperous business people and generous in their philanthropy to the city to our citizens liddell donated the funds for a room before she died and she would ask to get on with this restoration and make it all that it should be another uh room donor was elsa altschul she is the daughter of carmen and louis frudenthal lewis was a farmer here and he has been recently honored by the farm and ranch museum he also saved the farmers from losing their farms during the depression and he also did other things like build the masonic center and so forth carmen was a furious woman in her own right she really championed the equal rights amendment and she started the woman's improvement association and uh was she worked also to establish the of the pioneer women's park in las cruces so we have a lot of history here and i'm proud to say that i hope that you will honor that history and making this amador hotel a a reality it's part of our history people come to visit me from new york city and the east coast and the first thing they want to see is everything about the wild west and the amador hotel has got to be one of those other room donators were include diana davidson she paid for two rooms dr sonja cooper jean fulton captain walter baker who i'm proud to say i served with on the vietnam memorial which i was instrumental in building and getting the helicopter for the memorial billy ruth simpson pam creek and william and hannah monsimer so if i could get on my bended knee which i can't i would beg you to give all you have you can with your authority and so forth to get this project done and so we can not only enjoy it but i see a tremendous economic development for this city with tourism it will bring and then going from here to the white sands missile range museum foundation which by the way museum is going to be actually the best in the army and then going on to the space fort i think this is a great economic development opportunity thank you for allowing me to address thank you mrs williams hi miss stripped hillary good to see you ms archuleta thank you yes my name is dolores sanchez and i'm actually and i am a member of the hotel amador hotel foundation now i'm actually here with a message from jay paul taylor who needs no introduction and i just want to let you know that he's having a birthday on august 24th next month and he was born in chamberlin new mexico mr t chamberlain is a village on the south past anthony that's where chambordino is and this is where where paul taylor is from now he tells in his message he says quote in the late 60s urban urban renewal activities were in full swing and most of the old buildings downtown were destroyed there were plans afoot to widen water street and discussions about raising the amador hotel i was president of the historical society and went before the urban renewal members because i was terribly concerned for the historic for the historic hotel i managed to stop the building being raised and guide on the state register on march 1969 thus securing its safety the two most important really historic buildings in las cruces are the armijo house and the amador hotel all the important people stayed at the amador including my grandfather trinidad romero who was a delegate to congress and you and a united states marshal any event in town was at the amador hotel people in this community have raised their voices and have worked for 15 years to raise funds for the preservation of the hotel the next step is to seek whatever monies are available to restore and refurbish the amador hotel the city is the inheritor and has a responsibility to fund the restoration this is the legacy of the mayor and everyone on the city council to do their part and consider the history of las cruces and the southwest i am in my 100th year and history preservation has always been a matter of stewardship for me i urge your support for our beloved and iconic landmark madam chair and counselors j paul taylor's message is very clear on the importance of preserving as he calls it our beloved and iconic landmark now a few words from a person you've never met and counsel stork i'm not surprised that you brought up the ghost but this is not the ghost from the amador hotel for those who don't know about four years ago counselor sword told heather pollard that he was not afraid of staying alone in the amador hotel on halloween night all night heather has reserved a room for him and both heather and the ghost are still waiting now here is the guest speaker and i just need to do something else first my name is senora hotel amador i have stood on the corner of amazon water streets in las cruces since the 1870s serving as a rest stop for weary drovers and travelers famous people came and went and i was so proud to show them my hospitality i looked so festive from president roosevelt stayed and benito juarez had his favorite room with me i lost my owners don martinez by 1907. buena gente los los and they left me to their youngest daughter corrina amador she was ambitious and savvy just like her father so i was not to be just any boarding house not just a hotel with love and care from corina and her husband frank campbell i became the finest hotel in the region i was filled with beautiful furniture and exotic collections from all over the world see soon i hope to see the historic preservation take place so i will be restored and i will once again be a jewel in the crown of las cruces i must tell you again that naming my rooms after female relatives does not mean i was anything other than a fine hotel i may have my ghost but none are ladies of ill-repute thank you dolores madam chair and senora amador madam chair yes counselor sore thank you maybe i should explain how this you're backing out no no no no not at all um i was campaigning eight years ago and i ran across one of my constituents who had a paranormal vis uh business where he went to different things so i said we have any ghosts in las cruces he said oh yeah we have some down at the amador hotel he also did work in el paso too and so that's what it all got started thank you thank you councillor sorek hello hello madam chairman honourable members of the board my name is martin amador campbell and i will have a deep roots in the amador hotel speaking today as a spokesman for the amateur hotel i want to tell you a little bit about my background i was born in the amador hotel in 1941 in the same room that my father was born in the same room that his mother karina were born in my great-grandfather martin amador built the amador hotel councilor sorg i spent my first 12 years living in the amateur hotel and i never saw a ghost but there was plenty of spirits served in the amador bar [Music] i want to encourage the members of the board to consider favorably this grant request my family have a deep rooting memory of the diameter hotel when i was growing up it was a social center of las cruces all the weddings took place there the receptions there was plenty of social entertainment there and and i lived through a lot of it so i want to say that in brief words today that i encourage you to get on with it put it together you've got the most historic building in las cruces right in your hands and i want you to do the right thing vote for this the city needs it on all our citizens needed thank you very much for your attention thank you mr campbell much appreciated so i'd like to just say a few words um as a counselor for district 1 the economic heart of las cruces i urge my um colleagues to approve the allocation to restore the amador hotel although i know it's substantial it's a must to continue to revitalize our beautiful downtown you've heard from many people who are the heart and soul of our of our community and specifically a gentleman who was born in the hotel his his family you know um his family built that hotel and ran that hotel it's an important part important function of our of our community and so i'm urging you to vote yes i think it's it's an important opportunity um to do so i think once we approve this funding um and we get on the national registry it's just gonna open up a lot of doors for us and i think you'll be you won't be sorry so with that thank you i'd like to um make an amendment to the resolution okay um i'd like to move oh that comes from bingo but before you do so because once you do we're unable to hear any more counselor um flores do you have something to add to this yes i would like to add that um when i uh i think it was dr dab dennis and uh heather pollard who gave me and i think another city counselor uh no it was just me and then other people architects or engineers from the um uh planning department um who indicated that mr amador was actually the economic driver of las cruces because of uh well they they know the details i forgot but i do remember that and i think that's very important to know it's honoring what um i think without without mr amador we wouldn't have las cruces quite frankly just because of the just because he was the economic driver and uh he made sure that everybody who landed in las cruces the railroad there was a railroad stop they made sure that they provided transportation to his hotel and um so i just want it would be it's also honoring not just uh not just the fact that it's a his and historic building but the fact that he had everything to do with the foundation economic foundation of las cruces just wanted to add that for everybody's in case you were as ignorant as i was before they educated me and thanks again heather and dr deb thank you counselor flores councillor ben cuomo before i take your amendment i need to call the resolution forward so we need a motion and a second so moved i'll second it motion made by counselor flores second by counselor sork counselor bin cuomo thank you yes okay um thank you madam chair i'd like to make a motion to amend this resolution and pull out the funding for the sun shade structure at the las cruces plaza simply to be put on pause while staff assesses the changing cost of materials and looks for a more affordable option i'll second that motion okay motion made by concert in coma on the amendment second by counselor sorg christine can't we have discussion on that oh oh oh sure yes we should sorry i wanted it i thought we had lots of discussion okay councilor flores same course thank you i i had a question about that not so much to make a motion but um it isn't that i disagree with it but um by freezing this uh how does that affect the contract i don't know if that's within your parameters or our city attorney's office jennifer vega brown to at least enlighten me as to the ramifications it would have on the current contract that we have if we were to put this on pause and and the other question i had pertaining to the um the contract was that the contract was made for a certain amount of money and there's that 10 percent that's always left for reserve just in case there's an increase and it benefits uh of course the uh contract d and of course you know we were honorable bound so my question is twofold number one what are the repercussions of putting it on a pause basis insofar as our contract obligations and is there any way that we can uh hold it because the other aspect is to hold you know pause it until those prices come down because prices soared uh because of covid so that was that's my question uh attorney vega brown for you i'm vice chair gandala uh board member flores i can speak to that so will you say your name please chris favor for the record so the good news is there is no contract for construction right now the money that we do have was as we've had for a couple of years and it's for the design work so we can move forward with the money we currently have to to look at other design options and there is no contract with the contractor to do any work so there is no there is no issue there at all oh great then that's even better thank you very much mr faber and thank you um madame chair vice chair thank you counselor blood is counselor serg yeah thank you madam chair uh thank you for the clarification on this money um i i just would like to ask if as part of the options have a removable shade structure as an option it may not be practical like i said but i just investigate on the possibilities of something that you can bungee cord up you know i'm kidding counselor serg this is jennifer morrow again um while we were speaking on other items i had checked in with staff because in the past this has come up the removable and based on past research on it that would increase our price from 1.3 million to closer to 2 million dollars and then it'd be the maintenance of our crews installing it and and uninstalling it every year as well so i believe this discussion was had and it was um deemed that it was better to put in the permanent one but we can revisit that and we can revisit the numbers at the next tidboard if you would like us to just let us know thank you thank you welcome appreciate that thank you madam chair thank you councillorswork um i had a number of emails um public comment related to the amadors specifically and i think that i see um counselor yes smith i'm wanting to speak to this shade structure that being one of the emails so i'm going to ask that counselor smith please come up to the podium and state your claim concern thank you madam chair thank you board members i'm greg smith i am currently chair of the arts and cultural district coordinating council we did express some concerns about the level or the amount of inclusion that this decision uh involved regarding the arts and cultural district coordinating council and we feel that something this momentous in the heart of the arts and cultural district really needs more involvement and i will remind you those of you who remember when main street was turned into the mall and it was a very exciting moment back in the early 1970s these metal structures were put up it was another exciting moment about 30 years later when they started to come down so i would offer you a moment to consider what councilor ben carsonic board member ben bencomo is saying about the priorities here but i also think that board member sorg has in the past brought up concerns and as he did again today about the flexibility of such a design so i would look at it as a moment to pause i would suggest that counselor bencomo has made a good point here about possibly pulling together some other pieces to make sure that this is what you really want to do and not looking at it is something 30 years down the road you're pulling it out and saying aren't we glad we got that out of there the other point i'd like to make briefly uh as councillor abeita stevie said the aesthetics on the amador are also an important feature there and as you come west on amador it's a very busy street named for the amadors in the amador hotel there are two eyesores that greet you heading west one is the item at the corner of maine and amador that members of the council sought to purchase a few years ago and i don't know exactly why that fell through but i've heard people say that eminent domain might be something that you might want to consider when something is sitting there as blighted and as troublesome as that piece of property is the other is that the east side which was mentioned by dr cooper thank you as as something that could conceivably be worked on with the funding is that's what's presented to people as they drive west on amador the east side next to the back side of the visit las cruces building is particularly ugly looking and currently is not having the work done on it that the west side is having done and i would urge you to consider if we're looking at people coming to las cruces we're looking at people investing in las cruces and we want them to look at our arts and cultural district downtown this is what they see so if you would consider those things thank you very much i appreciate the time thank you craig madam chair conference could i ask councillor smith a question about counselor spent his comment sir no there's nothing paranormal about it no no of course not the east side i'm not quite sure what you're talking about when you say the east side the east facade is the side where the two-story uh area was torn down recently on the hotel on the hotel okay there was a newer edition that was torn down because it wasn't historically significant yeah okay confusing when you're talking about the west side it's a totally different building yes okay thank you thank you thank you very much thank you counselor sorek is there anybody else that wants to speak to public comment at this point hi yes please come to the podium [Music] jennifer garcia kozlowski um director of downtown las cruces partnership um thank you for hearing me in public comment at the moment um the tid is a big part of what we do in the downtown area so these funds are very important to how we can actually recruit and retain businesses so in my estimation the idea of the company redesign the hotel renovations the tracking is something that really help us on the daily we're for all of this the renovate main street is something that we use truly constantly is how we do our main recruiting but my issue is the stage excuse me the shade structure at the moment i do think we need to pause and think a little bit more because if this goes in we can't do chili drop possibly our zombie walk a few other things that we actually do in downtown that are events that we put on to bring people downtown can't happen i understand the heat but if you look across the country and places that have been settled like las cruces plazas don't tend to have shade structures and so maybe there's a way that we can meet in the middle we can work together with our arts and cultural district with our donated arts council with you at the city with economic development in downtown las cruces partnership to come up with something that's a little bit more user friendly and opportunistic for all of us thank you thank you jennifer okay i see i'm looking at council okay on the amendment this is on the motion to amended resolution 22-001 to remove funding for the shade structures board member aveda stevie yes board member vasquez is absent board member ben como yes board member sorek yes board member flores yes vice chair gandala yes and chair is absent okay now on the main motion christine this is on the motion to approve tid resolution 22-001 as amended board member beta stevie yes board member vasquez is absent board member ben cuomo yes board member sorg yes board member flores yes vice chair gandera yes and chair is absent okay thank you chris that concludes my presentation thank you board thank you so much okay while we switch over i'm going to give people five minutes do we need a motion to adjust oh i'm sorry yes we need a motion i'll make that motion to adjourn i second that emotion motion made by counselors about board member sword second by board pimper flores christine this is on the motion to adjourn the tid board meeting board member abeda stuby yes board member vasquez is absent board member ben como yes board member sork yes board member flores yes born member gun yes and chair is absent five minutes christine okay thank you you