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good morning
welcome
it is 902
901 a.m i'd like to call this meeting of
the animal services center
of the messiah valley board to order um
please join join me in saying the pledge
of allegiance
i pledge allegiance to the flag of the
united states of america and to the
republic for which it stands one nation
under god indivisible with liberty and
justice
thank you
did we have a quorum
yes madam chair we do have a quorum
thank you
and
let me just confirm who all is
voting on the on the board today
i'm here representing uh officially
commissioner
sanchez okay thank you
all right and then counselors and
commissioner ellens okay thank you
i
would entertain any motion to approve
the agenda or any changes
madam chair i move that we the agenda
today's agenda be approved thank you
second
it was moved by
county manager macias and seconded by
councillor flores
could we please
have a vote thank you board member
macias yes
board member flores
yes
i need you on the microphone we're going
to have to turn off your microphones if
you're not using them there we go yes
thank you board member ellen's yes board
member
yes chairperson koran yes thank you
as a friendly reminder only three out of
all of us i think can have
theirs on including becky and myself so
just
just as a friendly reminder so
um
all right i would entertain a motion to
approve the minutes from the last
meeting on february 24th
so moved
second candara moved by board member
allen seconded by board member gandra
boar member macias
yes
board member flores
yes board member ellen's yes
yes chair quran yes thank you
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now up to the reports and presentations
i see we have both cd and
county folks from animal control here so
i look forward to hearing from you all
up first
please as a friendly reminder please
state your name for the record
hello i'm brian hulsey i'm the
caseworker for dona county animal
control
let me pull this up really quick
um for the month of february we had 246
reported stray animals
we had out of those 246 153 stray
animals that were picked up
out of those 153 stray animals we had 42
cats and 111 stray dogs
we also had 12 sick
or injured animals we had one cat and 11
dogs
we had 16 owners surrender animals and
they were all dogs we had no cats this
this month
this is our four-year comparison chart
um again for
uh this year you'll see that it's not
fully completed just because it's
beginning of the year that will start to
average out with the rest of the years
this is our four-year
field return to owner comparison chart
as well
for our additional animals picked up
like again i said there was no cat sis
for february we had 16 dogs
we had 12 secret injured animals we had
two for welfare hold that could be from
anything from a sheriff's deputy or
something like that that
arrested someone then they had a cat or
a dog or something like that in the
vehicle so that way we could hold them
for them
um we had 22 shelter quarantines
we had zero home quarantines for the
month of february
we had four
courthold quarantines
in our live evidence we currently are
holding seven animals waiting
their hearings to see what happens with
the dogs
and
for the month of february we had no
rabies submissions
this is our districts district one
through seven for
the board members if they need to know
what they are
for district one we had six dogs and
zero cats
for district two
we had 29 cats and 13 dogs which was
pretty lower compared to the january
numbers that we were
discussing last month
for district 3 we had 9 cats and 25 dogs
district 4 two cats and 27 dogs
district five two cats 19 dogs
district six we only had four dogs
and district 17 we had 17 dogs
this is our
stray cats that we picked up
for the year up to date
this is our stray dogs
and then our owners
our owner surrender animals the reasons
that we had we had one aggressive the
dog was starting to act aggressive
towards people or other animals but not
to the point where it was being vicious
actively attacking or anything like that
we had one vicious animal
we had three where the
dogs were unable to be taken care of
we had three for livestock attacks or
killings one for health issues the dog
was just
if i remember correctly the dog was just
getting old in age and couldn't keep up
with its health we had five for a
elderly woman that was moving out of
state and going into respite care out of
state
and we had two where the owners were
just unable to keep the dogs on the
property
and i stand for questions
thank you officer halsey
board member flores
thank you madam chair and thank you so
much for your presentation
so i have questions about what you do
with animals that are
aggressive vicious
health issues and uh owners unable to re
keep restrained on property
i mean those have become
as you know very that's a very big issue
right now
so what does the center do
um the center
dona county
oh the these are county yes these are
all the counties what was the owner
releases for the county
okay they've released the ownership and
then where does the county take them so
we have a contract with the
shelter that we take them to the animal
service center messiah valley
if it's something that
we have to deal with in-house if we get
a warrant or something like that then we
hold them in our facility which we
currently have seven
while waiting for
petitions for dangers and or vicious
and you say warrants so is that a
warrant issued by whom by us
oh
and
so
ultimately what happens
generally then if you if you don't have
anything specific
so if we have animals in our
courthole
facility waiting for um
our petitions for whatever reason it's
usually for dangerous and or vicious
animals
we wait until the courts and the courts
have to deem the dogs to be dangerous
and or vicious and then they decide if
their dogs are going to be euthanized if
they go back to their owners
whatever the outcome may be but the
judge decides that not us
and for those um
those uh dogs i i'm presuming they're
dogs
in most cases well the animals i'll just
say animals
the
aggressive vicious um
and unable to restrain keep restrained
on property
um those are decided by a judge is that
correct then so for the owner releases
that we have on this on the current
screen all these dogs were sent to the
animal service center messiah valley
and then
well clint is
maybe mr thacker i'm just trying to
figure out
how
potential animals
animals that are potentially very
dangerous to human life
are being handled and
um
and what the outcomes are once once
there is an identified dog and it's in
the process of being delivered to the
shelter and going to court yada yada
thank you clem thacker executive
director animal service center mercia
valley um it it all depends on all in
case by case
is how it's done so if the animal has
already bitten shown extreme signs of
violence
we look at the conditions of the case
then if it warrants we euthanize it
if it's an issue where we can't
replicate it like they say they the the
animal is very aggressive towards men
and we have men kennel workers the dog
wags his tail we have our kennel
supervisor might go on the kennel with
it
it's submissive it's happy
that if we can't replicate the issue
and we feel safe that it can be done
then it will you'll be put in the
adoption program or put out to the
rescue program
so it's all about replicating the issue
that's there
and showing that yes that is the problem
and then
using the tools that we have so rescue
adoption euthanasia all those things
that we have
thank you mr zakir and thank you very
much chris thank you
board member ward
just to kind of go into a little bit
more detail so when an animal control
officer picks up a dog on a warrant
when they first go on a case
they
depending on the elements of the case
and what they can provide
support for that
those elements they've got to have
support for their um
their um
their their
their evidence
supporting evidence
so they go out there if the animal is
they suspect to be deemed vicious and
are dangerous
and
they have probable cause for that
officer themselves
they have their
their witnesses they have everything
that they think
can progress for that case then they
will come back to the office they'll
discuss it with myself the
this is off um officer brian hulsey he's
our caseworker he's the one who handles
and prepares the cases for the officers
in regards to our petitions and our
warrants because the officers you know
have to go back out into the field but
he assists with that so then he prepares
them for that
service
once we do that we
look at that those elements we prepare
that we get the case ready
and then we
obtain a warrant
if needed
that warrant itself goes through the
district attorney's office once it's
approved through the district attorney's
office then it's proceeded through the
magistrate court
then it's gone through there approved
through magistrate court then that
warrant is is gone through
and is served
the animal is seized the animals come to
our facility awaiting a court trial
a petition is also filed at that same
time because in a state statute you have
10 days
once an animal is in your
in your facility in your custody to file
that petition awaiting that trial
so that's always done at the same time
as well
then once the animal is in in our
facility we're waiting that trial the
outcome of that case depending on
whatever the outcome of that court is
sometimes we can hold on to that dog for
a long time sometimes the courts will
fast track it it depends on the the
judge itself
these owner releases that brian is
talking about
sometimes the people will just call us
and say i want to own or release my dog
because he's aggressive
well what happened well he's been too
aggressive he's been nipping at me he's
been nipping at my son he's been showing
aggressive signs
he went after the neighbor he went after
another dog he's showing aggressive
signs
those are things that we put on that
information sheet for the shelter and we
provide that data for the shelter
then they sign that animal over
to the animal services center at that
point that dog becomes property of the
shelter the shelter
then becomes the own the new owner of
that dog and they can do what they deem
necessary with that dog but we provided
that information
for that shelter at that time
does that answer your question
yes it does thank you so much ms ward
but i also so
so if a um
owner relinquishes ownership then
the the center becomes the owner correct
and then can
can the does the center have the
authority to euthanize the animal yes
and sometimes the owner will actually
request the euthanasia upon owner
release
depending on the circumstances great
thank you thank you very much boring
flores clint thacker again for the
record it
what the question you just asked is
is twofold if if the person
re or the person surrenders the animal
to the county
then the county is the owner until it
comes to us if they if they come to us
and surrender it to us to the center
then we're the owner of it
the
the county has every right to say we
don't want this animal is our possession
if it's on their owner
surrender form
they have every right to say i want this
animal euthanized by you know this is
this is our animal we choose to do that
and i've had this discussions with gino
and with mary lou that if that's the
route they want to go
then that's the route that they go they
have their own owner's surrender forms
thank you so much mr thacker
any more questions from the board
if i can just really quickly if you all
i you're you're welcome here so i
understand that you guys have your signs
but i i feel like you're blocking the
exit a little bit so if you wouldn't
mind coming down to sit down you can sit
right in the you can sit right here if
you want to have your signs but i don't
want you to be
caught up in and blocking the exit so
thank you
all right councillor gandara thank you
thank you board chair um
democracy in action right love it okay
um
yes thank you for
your presentation i have a few more
questions around the definitions of home
quarantine and shelter quarantine and
what are those deciding factors and how
long does quarantine last
okay so a home quarantine by definition
is if the dog let's say bit someone on
their property it has to be on their
property
for the county
and the dog is up to date on its
vaccinations its rabies and everything
and they could prove it at that time we
do a home quarantine
as long as the dog is able to stay
confined on its property
away from other animals and people
obviously the people have to be somewhat
around it because they have to feed it
and water it and everything
but if they are able to do all the all
those prerequisites it stays on home at
the quarantine and the quarantine lasts
for 10 days so the first day of the bite
does not consider to be the first full
day
so it's actually like an
11 day
process
day zero yeah i guess correct
and then a animal service
quarantine animal service center
quarantine is the same thing except we
take it to the service animal service
center mercia valley and they quarantine
it for the quarantine process and they
have people check it and everything
now do you have
animals
dogs specifically and what is the
difference between your courthole
quarantine
so a courthold quarantine is the same
thing as um the animal service center
quarantine we would take it to our co
world facility our live evidence
facility and we have caretakers there
that will
check them further
daily for the quarantine process
so is there a difference between why you
would select cornhole quarantine versus
the center
so the owners since dogs are considered
property they have the right to choose
where they would like to take it so they
could go to a veterinarian of their
choice as long as the veterinarian is
willing to hold the dog for quarantine
the animal service center messiah valley
or our hold
okay and so they get to choose whether
they want to take it to any places and
then we answer the questions the best we
can for them and let them make an
educated decision so in the in your home
quarantine they would have to be um
tied up and not being allowed to roam
freely in the property or what what is
that
what helps you make that determination
correct um it depends on how they have
their property set up so
a lot of people have kennels things like
that that has enough room for the dog to
move around in and they can stay in
there or if they have a
property i've had people that have
properties have multiple fence lines to
the property and they could keep it
separated in one part and it could run
loose in that area okay as long as it
stays confined in that area
during the quarantine process
an officer goes and checks three times
throughout that process
to make sure the dog is still on the
property it's
not showing any signs of rabies anything
like that if we do find out that the dog
is not being confined and it's running
loose or we get reports of the dog
running loose
at that time we could either obtain a
warrant to seize the dog for the current
or for the rest of the quarantine or
they could just say hey you know it's
not staying on the property i'd like to
take it to animal service center or a
vet or wherever now those cases
specifically do they go to court and go
in front of a judge to determine what to
do next with the animal or what is that
process like in terms of where it moves
to
determining to euthanize the animal
um it depends on
like he was saying depends on case by
case so if the dog was on its property
we've had people that you know that were
playing
with each other rough housing and then
the dog took it as their owner being
attacked and they went and bit the
person
something like that
so i mean it just depends on the case
of the dog itself and if we
as an officer believe that it's
something that's more dangerous or the
dog has a pattern or
anything like that then we can proceed
to
petition the dog to be dangerous and or
vicious and go that route
okay and it goes to matt court and it's
that's where the the hearing or is being
held correct okay
how do you um inform the public
that this is going on or do you
um that would be between um
our public relations
we don't the officers themselves don't
talk to anything like that that goes
through public relations no i mean for
the court cases like say for example
next week you have a court case on one
of your your
your quarantine animals right that you
petition the court as a vicious and
moving towards i guess euthanasia how do
you notify the public about those cases
in the event that people would want to
hear right
those cases or have been
a product of the abide or the
viciousness if you will
right again um as an officer ourselves
we do not go through that process again
that would be through our accounting or
and communication that that's okay thank
you thank you so much i appreciate it
thank you
chair karen
thank you councillor gandara and i have
to say that i once underwent a home
quarantine as a result of a foster cat
that bit me and then it got infected so
just to give you a path of
when i went to the urgent care um i
actually had to report the
the cat and so i went through that that
home quarantine and it was
for me a really great experience to see
how much effort the
officers put into
making sure that that animal is an
ongoing threat and and that the people
are healthy so i really appreciate the
work that animal control officers do in
that in that setting
board member ward please
to to go um to elaborate on a couple of
those questions um going into the home
quarantine real quick
and like um
brian was saying
in regards to that as long as people
have
everything in place they have to be
current on vaccines the animal was not
running off the property
they can comply with the state
regulations in regards to a home
quarantine so the animal is not
interfering interacting with other
animals they are totally separated for
the 10 days that is required by the
state for the quarantine period
that is the only way that will allow
them to do a home quarantine
those are the process and usually those
are cases where
those are animals that are current on
their rabies those are usually at people
that own their own dogs or maybe there
was a birthday party or something and
maybe little joey went and got bit by a
dog or something and those people can
comply so those are where you're going
to see most of those home quarantines
even if a dog's running loose
and he's current on his vaccines those
animals do go into a quarantine process
somewhere else because they've been
running at large
but those are those home quarantines
that you'll see
in regards to the animals quarantine at
the courthole facility the courthole
facility
will house animals for bike quarantines
the only animals we're not housing right
now is stray animals because we're not
allowing the public to come in to view
those animals and we're still under
construction in regards to our floors
and things like that where we're not
equipped to house a lot of animals at
this point in time once that is as
complete then of course i think we can
progress and look at things a little
differently but at this point
that's not at the the area we are for
the public to come in and view and say
oh this is my dog
you know everything would have to be put
online and not all the public have has
access to the online so if we picked up
a bite dog say somebody was running down
the road and they got bit by a stray and
the officer
was able to apprehend that stray
and we didn't have an owner for that
animal well the best thing yet is for us
to find that owner of that animal
ideally it goes to the shelter because
the shelter's open access to the public
the public can come in and view and look
for that animal and that's where they
can come in and claim ownership
once they do claim ownership right now
of that animal that animal then can be
moved from the shelter from that
quarantine into our facility to free up
space from the shelter and for the
remainder of that quarantined process
but it currently it starts off at the
shelter
yeah
yeah so so that's where that's where we
are on that and so on cases where um
you know
into the public like notice of publicity
um
where there's big cases and whatnot like
that
we don't readily give out information on
if i'm not sure if you're asking if we
give information out on cases itself
just the case the notification that
there's going to be a public a hearing
if you will on that specific case oh
absolutely yeah yeah if so if there's
information on a pub on a case itself
there is information that's the public
information gone out
so information for
that
the dog owners you know any type of
witnesses anything like that within
subpoenas so there's a due process
and if that's what you're you're asking
about
no to the public okay
you're talking about to the surrounding
area if there's a hearing
yeah okay so no
we're not sending out notice to the to
the area that's we're going out to that
area
in regards to um
a hearing
for that case
um
the only the only notice that we're
sending out is if we have
had like um
an increase of you know
cases within that vicinity then we'll
send out a notice like hey you know
we've had an increase of x amount of
vicious animals in this area or whatnot
but not an actual hey where this person
is going to court
we haven't sent out a notice like that
that's what you're asking
i am yes mary lou okay thank you thank
you so much thank you
thank you councilor gandara board member
gandra
i think that's it from from the board
members
thank you very much
for your presentation
good morning madam chair members of the
board
for the record my name is gino jimenez
i'm the animal control supervisor for
the city of las cruces
now if i could
so what i will present to you is the
numbers for february 2022
so animal control officers responded to
calls of strays for february 216 of them
were goa meaning that the officer did
not have contact with that animal of
those 240 were apprehended
177 were impounded at the animal service
center 107 of them were dogs 70 were
cats
we were successful in field rtoing 51
those were dogs that had some sort of
identification and they were able to go
back to the owner without crossing the
threshold of the animal service center
we were unsuccessful in field rto in 14
and those are 14 animals that had some
sort of identification however
as we'll see in my next few slides the
reasons why those were unsuccessful
so we had a total of 66 total
identifiable animals
here is our three-year comparison for
stray calls
as you can see we're keeping
right in line with 2020 21 and then so
far this year
a really good average right there
here is our three-year field rto
comparison last month was a good month
for us as far as field rtos we had a
total of like i said earlier 51
which surpassed
by 20 the previous years for this month
for the month of february i should say
and here is our community cat slide we
were dispatched to 55 cats in trap calls
of those three were already identified
as community cats so those cats were
released in the area where they were
initially impounded so again like i said
last month
community cats is a new program
so we're going to see a lot of calls
initially
of
cats in traps before we see that number
start catching up to the community cat
number
here are the reasons for owners
releasing their animals
nine
the owner was unable to care for them
and these were all separate owners they
were not the same owner
six were four dogs being aggressive
towards people or other animals two
actually killed another dog and one bit
the owner's sister
four
the sister moved and left those behind
three the dogs were sick or injured and
one was a euthanasia request
two the the dog owner passed away and
the son could not take the two dogs that
his son his father had
one the dog is always escaping one
the dog owner was moving to a new
apartment and the landlord would not
allow him to keep that dog there on his
property
another one was for the dog barks too
much and finally
the owner dog owner was moving and he
could not take it with him
and to emphasize what we the the
previous slides the reasons that we were
unsuccessful in phil rtoing
six the chips were not registered
and eight there was no contact at the by
phone or at the residence and one chip
was actually registered in colorado
so i think that last month we talked
about it how important it is for people
to citizens to update their microchip
information so that these animals will
get returned back to the owner
quickly
and with that i will stand for any calls
questions
questions from the board board member
flores please uh thank you madam chair
and thank you mr jimenez
so or officer jimenez um so on page
three
or four
three yeah
um
or maybe it was page two
can you go to page two please yeah
uh so it says
444 reported stray animals for february
and then um so the numbers that fall
that are subsequent that follow there is
216 goa 240. that doesn't that doesn't
add right there it's over 444 so
so let me see if i can madam so how how
does that really break down
madam chair uh board member flores so if
you add these numbers up
this our field rto okay 51
our impounds of 177 you will get our
total of
240.
so
i have the cheat sheet in my office
well i wish i hadn't i double checked it
thank you for not sharing
okay so
i think
what i'm trying to understand is
well first of all what kinds of animals
are are reported as quote straight
unquote does it include a myriad of
animals that we find especially on the
the maybe district three
where
you know it's close closer to
the open land and maybe coyotes out
there and
all sorts of little critters
so is it just
a domestic domesticated animals and
would that include other
animals other than dogs and cats
madam chair board member florida mom
this includes cats and dogs only oh cats
and dogs
just for this
presentation that is only domestic
animals cats and dogs okay
and um so there's a high number there's
a higher number of apprehended animals
than gone on arrival
according to this chart
right i mean madam chair uh
board members flotus no ma'am if you
look at the chart
we had a total of 240 that were
apprehended yeah and 116 is that what
you were saying 116 were goi
does our gun on arrivals gun and rubble
yes ma'am
is that so i'm saying that you've
apprehended more animals than i mean
you've apprehended
more have been apprehended than those
that weren't there anymore
yes so that's that's my point so
we're trying to no there's no point my i
just want to clarify that in my head
um
so
then you
the hundred and
uh
what's the distinction between
the apprehen or
why is there a difference between
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you have 240 straight animals
apprehended
but then you only have 177 impounded
and so is a breakdown
does the 177 51 and 14 add up to 240.
madam chair uh board member florence yes
ma'am that's what i was trying to say my
teacher i have my cheat sheet at the
office but
if you look at the totals and you kind
of add them from the bottom up
it should equal the 240. so
you have 177 that actually went into the
animal service center
the officers
were successful in 51 so you add those
up together i don't have a calculator up
here with me
and then the 14 were already included in
the strays that were impounded
so you have
uh
foreign
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it's accurate and and i wish i would
have brought that cheat sheet with me
and then i could explain it a little bit
more
but the numbers are accurate now
oh
i will send you an email with that gg
i think
what i'm trying to um
well what i think i want to stress by
asking some of these questions or
highlight
is that
almost half of the stray animals
reported are gone unrivaled
so that
apprehending them is definitely out of
your control
madam chair board member flores
absolutely and if you look at my numbers
from previous months or even previous
years you will see that that's a
consistent number it's almost um more
than 50 percent
are geo wei than they are apprehended
yeah
and there's a lot of things that go to
in into factor with that um time
officers on duty when was the call
called in
let's say for example
a stray was called in at 10 30 pm
i don't have officers on duty at 10 30
pm and it's going to append until the
following morning
six hours later more than likely that
dog is not going to be there so it's
going to be goa in the morning when the
officer does respond
so but let's look at a different
scenario where
the officer i have
two officers on duty
we take care of other priority calls
maybe 20 30 40 minutes pass until that
officer can get to that call again that
animal is not going to sit there and
wait for us to show up before it takes
off
a lot of things go to fact definition of
stray
definition of straight yes thank you so
much mr uh officer jimenez thank you
madam chair madam chair
board member macias thank you i'm
beginning to kind of see some of the
reports i've already suggested to mary
lou
about modifying some of the county
reports so it isn't so
initially confusing because i understand
why councillor flores is having some
difficulty you're indicating that we're
444 reported stray animals
of those you couldn't apprehend because
they were no longer visible to the
officer to be able to apprehend
but you're saying that you apprehended
240 if you add those two numbers
together that's 456 or 12 more than the
444 i think that's initially
confusing a little bit but again it's
just 12 off but then you go to
177 strays impounded so you have to
assume because i know that you're saying
go from the bottom up but nobody does
that everybody goes from the top down
so
uh out of 177 strays impounded you
assume that that's out of the
240 that were apprehended
so
51 of those are successful field returns
but i'm assuming that's not of the
177 which is the number above it's 51
out of the 240
that were originally apprehended
and then it has 14 unsuccessful
attempted field returns
okay so
if it was unsuccessful
they were impounded
so that for where the 51
is part of
the 240
i'm assuming the 14 is out of 177
because they were impounded as well so
it is a little bit confusing in terms of
because the bottom line is how many
actually got into the shelter
how many of them were dealt with then
later were owners coming in
to recover apprehended dogs that would
be an interesting statistic to be able
to look at because then when you look at
the total the bottom line it says a
total of 66
identifiable stray animals
so does that mean that out of the 240
that were originally apprehended
66 of them
the owner came in
to recover the animal
madam chair board member macias and
taking into consideration everything you
just said sir absolutely so
the 50 these are the numbers that were
requested by
board members in the past and we've
added and updated these slides as time
has gone by
sometimes it gets a little bit confusing
we do our best
but
one thing i just noticed that when you
pointed it out so we have 51 successful
filled rtos those numbers are not
included in any of the strays or any of
the impounds because obviously they
didn't cross the threshold of the animal
service center those are asked those
numbers were requested by previous board
members to
so we knew how many we were actually
giving back to the owner
but one thing that you did point out
right now that number of total
identifiable animals should be 65 not
66.
so
that makes a difference of one
but if we would like to change the
format of this slide so that
flip it the other way so that we're
adding from top down
and you get your total your sum at the
bottom i'm more than willing to do that
so that it makes more sense
madam chair the only point i was trying
to make is in order just to follow the
report easily without having to do
you know and i i i do it respectfully
and i always feel uncomfortable having
to kind of cross-examine someone in
order to get a better understanding in
terms of the
the numbers i would just encourage that
uh
reports be looked at in a way that it
kind of flows so i think you started it
out right with 444
although that number from my count
should be 456
because those are the total stray
animals that that um
animal control officers have had contact
with during the course of that month
and so then when you go from month to
month it becomes more difficult to
follow the trends
so you see
the year-long trends and you see
basically a line but it's not clear to
me
that that follows
an appropriate explanation if you're
going from month to month and that's
really the only point i want to make i
don't want to belabor this any further
but i do want to make sure that we're
able to
have a quick understanding of the
statistics that we're being shown and if
they're being shown on one page they
ought to correlate with one another all
the way down that's the only point denim
thank you madam chair
thank you board member macias
um
county manager macias and counselors
board members just for an explanation in
reference to those two numbers not
adding up so we take the 444 from our
actual rms our record management system
as far as reported strays so that can
come in and that's where we're
generating that number from the other
numbers that include the stray animals
apprehended comes from our actual aco
officers so in that case you might see
an increase in other words it's going to
be potentially a little bit more than
that reported straight animals because
these there's times where they'll
actually see us stray themselves
so in other words it wasn't reported it
didn't get a call into our central
dispatch but the animal control officer
is out driving
and they're driving in the city streets
and then they see
there's a stray animal there i'm going
to pull over i'm going to self-initiate
a call
and get the stray that way does that
make sense yes
it does but somewhere before the report
is prepared that ought to be correlated
because then you have
the basically policy makers that are
taking a look at these statistics in
order to try to follow trends and
they're not adding up and all they're
doing is provoking additional questions
yes and i can understand that and we can
better articulate that
you thank you yes thank you
thank you
members okay
other questions from the from the board
board member
macias i'm guessing you're you're good
yes okay okay thank you
board member gandala please thank you
chair karan thank you gino um
for the presentation my questions are
similar um that i asked the county
do you remember them
no
parsley
it's more of educating myself as it
relates to quarantine a home quarantine
a
quarantine that happens at the center
sort of your process from the city's
perspective
so madam chair uh board member gandara
our
procedure policy is very very similar to
mary lou's because that is set by state
statute
so
the only difference would be that they
have their own
hold or quarantine facility okay as
where we utilize the animal service
center
but i believe that mary lou and officer
housley
had a very good explanation if you would
like
for me to expand a little bit more on it
yeah that would be great
what would you like to know well let's
say give an example of a
dog that has bitten
um an individual
run that
that case or that scenario through your
processes and
laws and whatnot statutes if you will
absolutely
um so let's just say
mary lou used the the scenario earlier
of little johnny getting bit at her
birthday party
so let's use that scenario uh the dog is
currently vaccinated it the dog the bite
occurred
on that owner's property so that dog can
be home quarantined the process is
exactly the same the owner
will sign an agreement
stating that uh that they are
responsible for the dog while it is on
their property and under quarantine
it is a three-step process first day
fifth day tenth day where the officer
will actually go out and inspect what
the officer is looking for at the
initial inspection is to make sure that
that dog cannot
escape from the property
if for any reason he or she believes it
can
then a home quarantine will not be
approved then it will be up to the owner
at that time to decide whether they want
that
dog to be
quarantined at any other facility or at
the animal service center that is
their choice
from that point we will
take
not custody but we will escort that dog
to that facility if it's a vet
if it's uh going to be quarantined at
the animal service center then of course
that animal is put in our units and it's
taken to the animal service center and
all that paperwork is processed
according to their policy
so the back side of that scenario the
same scenario if the property does meet
all the requirements
then the owner will sign a form state
basically stating that
they are responsible for the animal
while it is on under quarantine if it is
lost stolen
escapes
anything like that they will give us a
call immediate or dice they will give us
a call immediately so that number one we
can patrol the area looking for that
bite dog
number two if it was stolen then we fill
up we will assist them in filling out a
police report
and number three if it dies and it's
still there on the property then we
follow the propyl channels
and
perform a necropsy on that animal
because if it dies within that 10 days
the most important thing is human life
so we've got to get that animal tested
for rabies as quickly as possible and
that test will come back so that we can
notify the victim whether that dog had
was positive for rabies or not
go ahead sorry gino so so when do you
seek a
warrant and um
do the cases go to mancourt as well
for you madam chair uh board member
we do not seek a warrant until we are
actually trying to deem a dog dangerous
or potentially dangerous or
if
a bite dog has a known owner
and they are either interfering with us
taking that dog into quarantine
or refusing to allow us to take that dog
into quarantine then we will seek a
warrant from a municipal judge
okay and then we will execute that
warrant
lieutenant joy woodla again for the
record uh just some clarification a
warrant
is for a person
and so when it comes to any kind of like
criminal cases we seek a warrant and
that would be for a person in reference
to any kind of dangerous dog it would
have to be a motion for an order to
seize that animal because the dog is not
a person it is an animal so we can call
it a warrant but technically it's not a
warrant in the legal capacity
so in situations where
it's going to be a potentially dangerous
or dangerous dog where we do have bodily
injury to an individual or
worst case scenario we have like a
fatality yes we are going to seek out a
potential motion of an order to seize
and for us it is a little different when
it comes to
what court we're going to because we
respond to our municipality yes and so
we have a city ordinance and so for us
we are going to respond to the municipal
courts and we are going to do a motion
through the municipal courts
and through the municipal courts we are
going to ask the judge
if there is enough
again facts to determine that this dog
is in fact a dangerous or potentially
dangerous dog
and then
part of the process is is that when we
do anticipate that
we are taking ownership of that dog
not the shelter we might house it at the
shelter but again some differences in
different policies and it's not to say
that one is
it's just different than the other so
for us when we have that and when we're
investigating we will take ownership of
that dog
with the understanding that the
pet owner is agreeing to take ownership
so ultimately it's the owner but let's
say that they're saying you know what i
feel that the dog is aggressive as well
they will sign over ownership to us
and that's where then we can follow
through with the actions that we need to
take and potentially going through the
court process
lieutenant whitala do you have that
10-day period of
gathering all the facts the evidence if
you will and putting it in a petition so
the 10-day so the 10-day is really all
about um making sure that the dog
doesn't show signs or gravies or
anything like that that's where like the
whole 10 day comes from that's where i
know counselor you mentioned your cat
that's why we want to obviously
make sure that we're prioritizing a
person's health and so that's where
first and foremost we're going to make
sure that
that is part of it
but as far as gathering the facts
gathering through information seeking
out the investigation
it might take more than 10 days it might
end up taking 15.
it just depends on
the amount of information we need to
gather and the evidence that we need to
gather so you don't have time frames is
what you're telling me as it relates to
submitting a court case again when it
comes to the actual court case or
similar to any kind of criminal court
case we have to be actively working it
and making sure that we're doing our due
diligence to actively work it but if
it's going to take longer than 10 days
it might take longer than 10 days okay
okay that's important to me and then if
it goes to court and
so you file the court case how is the
public made aware that this happened
this is happening so very similar to
what our county co-parts of our
counterparts were saying
an officer is not going to release that
information to the public that's why we
have public information officers and so
everything would be released through our
public information officer
if you're asked it just isn't like a
given it's
so again for us
we will obviously keep
in this kind of a circumstance if
there's a pet owner involved we're going
to keep the pet owner involved if
there's victims involved we're keeping
them involved and updated as well
however when it comes to the general
public we have to treat it like any
other criminal investigation
and so in reference to any other
criminal investigation we're going to
have our pio officers release any
information to the public i got it thank
you thank you thank you so much thank
you chair koran
thank you board member kendra are there
other questions thank you lieutenant
i have one more question
when you when you go out and you respond
to these calls of a stray animal
what is the time frame what what kind of
time does it take
i know
and and i might refer to my aco
supervisor because he has definitely
been doing this
job a lot longer than i have but from my
experience since i've overseen the
animal control officers it's all
dependent
um
we can have some days where
when we're when we're getting our calls
for service maybe there's not a lot of
calls and so when the stray calls in
that animal control officer is instantly
able to respond to it
we can have other days where we have
a good ten calls for animal control
officers
and again it comes down to prioritizing
what calls they're going to be going to
first an animal stray call where
all we have is the detail of a black dog
running down the street and that's it
versus a potential vicious animal in
this neighborhood obviously the vicious
animal is going to take priority over
the stray animal
a bite where we've already have a
potential victim that's obviously going
to take priority over a stray animal
call
it really depends on again
what's happening that day
and the call volume that day and i would
refer to
supervisory men as if you had any
additional information
madam chair board member
the simple question to that the simple
answer i should say our response time to
strays right now is 17 minutes
that is our average response time
um could that number be greatly
higher especially during the weekends
absolutely because on the weekends i
only have one officer working the
morning shift and one officer working
the evening shift we don't have
districts
such as what maybe codes would have they
have council districts and also beat
districts animal control could be let's
say
in um
awful union
and then they get a straight call in
district six off of
uh morning site
so he or she has to travel that distance
from one side of town to the other
obviously we all know with traffic the
way the city is exploding here in the
past few years
that may take
20 30 minutes for them to respond to
that straight call
but
our average response time at this for
last month was 17 minutes i appreciate
that gino and also to take into
consideration i only have six officers
on duty
so they're running
throughout have you failed your
vacancies general channel
it closed monday and we start the whole
process starting today so what is your
total number of of
officers
that here that
know
what is what are the total number of
officers on your fort on your
animal
right now i have six with two vacancies
so a total of eight okay on staff okay
and so
i i
really my question i appreciate the
response time but how much time
generally does it take
right for you to respond to a stray
animal and then figure out who does it
belong to because there's all these
steps right that you take in order to
ensure that the animal gets to the
proper owner
you have to check to if it's if it's um
there's it's chipped right and then you
have to go in and call or
use your use your laptop to figure out
where this animal belongs i mean it
generally takes a lot of time i'm
assuming
madam chair board member gundam abs
absolutely so let's just say the officer
does pick up that straight
now after they micro uh scan it for a
microchip and all that information we're
looking at an extended
that doesn't take long
that would say two minutes at the most
but let's say that that animal is
chipped
now we're adding
10 15 minutes if not more
of that officer taking that chipped
animal back to its proper owner
so a stray call could be extended
take a whole entire time of 30 45
minutes if it's if there's a known owner
sure so and then how many calls are you
getting after hours related to stray
animals
uh madam chair board member gundam i
don't know that number right off the top
of my head um
most citizens of las cruces know that
after 10 o'clock
it's only on-call basis
emergency services only
i would have to research that
i think it's interesting right because
it it depends
it would be interesting to know okay how
many after hours calls do you receive
but you only have one officer or you
don't have any officer i mean looking at
it
we should probably look at that i would
think and if we need to have an officer
on call to respond to those right to
reduce the number of strays that are out
there
right in the public if you will so just
trying to get a real global
understanding of what you're having to
deal with the type of calls how you're
responding do you have vacancies do you
have the number of ft's those things and
then lastly i mean i know the public
who's listening in here you know we've
we
we've i've had an onslaught of emails
about um certain things
um
one very big case that i know that
you're investigating but
but
also of other cases right where
people have been mauled and had to have
stitches and i'm asking these questions
people are asking me like well how do we
know when those court cases come
we never hear that from the public
and i'm i'm
trying to educate myself and get the
answers to those questions
plus
i want the public to know that you work
really hard that that you're responding
to 400 plus
calls
um and those even that
that don't come in to write um the the
call center if you will um
and and so it's important that that i
get educated we all get educated but
that we're also providing education to
the to the public because i think that's
um really important um
as well and then i'm i am concerned
because of the number of emails that
i've received
that i'm wondering if we having more
issues with um
bites and i i wonder if we can do kind
of a gis study and see if that is
true and sort of what breeds are and i'm
not i'm not one to to say we want to get
rid of breeds that's not what i'm saying
here but i i'm feeling a little
overwhelmed with the number of emails
and calls that i'm receiving about
dogs biting vicious right can't walk our
dogs or ourselves in the neighborhood
because we have you know these issues
with animals and and i mean they're just
coming in in droves i don't know of the
other counselors but i'm thinking we
probably need to do some investigating
maybe
um have some conversations a town hall
specific right to this to this issue
work with some of our
our our advocates here in town and
and and try to come up with some some
you know um strategies right to address
this moving forward
madam chair board member
and and i have to agree with you
entirely ma'am because
when curve coveted first hit
we were using
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we had a tremendous amount of bites
it just skyrocketed
and we attributed that to kovit because
as people were staying home with their
pets their pets were used to them going
to work at eight
and then coming home in five and now
they're here all day yeah and you're
bothering me so they would bite out
you're in my space you're in my
territory yeah what are you doing here
go to work
um so we saw a tremendous amount of
owner victim bites
and the same was uh 19 and 20.
the owner victim bites stayed about the
same as you can i don't do that report
but i i keep those numbers 19 and 20
were the same
21 kind of plateaued and then it started
to take a downward trend
but
over that same amount of time are all of
our bites whether it's a stray bite or
an owner victim bite or an other bite
have
have all skyrocketed
we were using covet as our first
explanation
i can't use that explanation anymore
i have no idea why
bites are increasing the way they are
now
i i can't explain it
yeah yeah i know i i
maybe it's still we're in that still in
that phase right the endemic and and
things are people are still working from
home i'm i'm not i'm not i know a lot of
individuals but i i just feel like we
we shouldn't stand idle we should
probably try to
understand this and
come up with some strategies and there
have been some great um
suggestions from council on monday
related to that maybe getting our animal
protection
group out here
to really help examine um some of this
with us and and and the public and and i
know that i want you know more of a
media campaign
um
being
thought of and and really um so that the
public i mean i i know that we have a
lot of irresponsible pet owners
um
and and and and and maybe that's
some of the issue um we just need to
continue to educate ourselves on this
matter and so i'll i'll let it go i
don't want to belabor it but i am
concerned and and i thought it a good
opportunity and to ask those questions
and i appreciate you gino very much i um
madame chair uh board member gundam i
appreciate your questions too because
they were needed
so thank you thank you thank you um
chair karen
thank you board member gandra uh board
member macias and then i think board
member flores both had
or maybe just board member macias had
said
okay okay
i just wanted to follow up with what
counselor gandara was addressing
in any given month
if you look at the statistics it's 444
animals
that were reported
so out of that
217 were not apprehended
so i think it's always a good thing to
look at the positive which is that over
50 percent of the animals or the strays
were picked up but that is a notable
number
and so
if the average time response is 17
minutes that means in all likelihood
there was an animal to actually seize
the longer yet you stretch it out 20 30
an hour before you respond well you're
not finding an animal they're not there
anymore
and it has that ripple effect all the
way down to talking about violence
because you have more animals out there
on the street
and potentially then
with the potential to victimize either
other animals or
individuals so
part of the secret in part and mr
thacker won't want to hear this
we have to be picking up more animals
but of course do we have the capacity to
handle that kind of increase at the
animal services center
and then as you increase the numbers i
mean where are our adoption rates how
aggressive are we in terms of maybe
shipping out animals to other areas of
the country for adoption so it has all
really a
ripple effect and historically and i'm
not trying here to advocate in any
certain way but certainly animal control
has always been a lesser priority to say
law enforcement or fire in terms of
commitment of resources and commitments
of personnel but actually i think a 17
minute if that's the average it's a
pretty good response time but again the
later it takes
is why you're not why over 40 percent of
the calls you're not finding an animal
to pick up
and can i just say and not to harp on it
and there's these little things an
arrest warrant is to seize a person
a search warrant is to seize property
so yes warrants are for both purposes
and actually that discussion is making
me want to go back and kind of take a
look at what our process and how we
refer to warrants and what their
purposes are and i'm going to do that
before our next meeting thank you judge
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madam chair
please please if i can add a comment to
commissioner uh macias comments
city manager county manager countyman
board member board member
i apologize sir
um so
about three years ago i had the
opportunity to do a presentation in
albuquerque for blood sports
and after the presentation i had a
opportunity to sit down with their
director and talk about trends in
albuquerque and what was happening in
las cruces one of the things that he
told me that they were doing
is animal control no longer responds to
stray animal calls
in albuquerque
if they only respond to animals in
custodies
because they realize that 50
of their calls were coming back empty
or there was no resolution no no animal
to catch so they said why are we
spinning our wheels let's just stop
doing that
i didn't agree with him at the time i
said because how can you possibly in
good conscience say
it it was gone you know let's just get
it let it go but what if that dog
was to bite somebody
you know 10 15 minutes later
so
a lot of discussion on that topic sir
and madam chair just as a last note and
forgive me i will
as a last note on that matter
it takes our animal control officers
even more time out in the field trying
to search for that animal because
they're not readily identifiable they're
nowhere in the area so they're driving
blocks and blocks and blocks around the
neighborhood just to make sure that
again they don't get called back a
second time when someone else sees the
animal and that takes a lot of time and
if they don't if there isn't an end
product there's been a lot of time out
there in the field that hasn't been as
productive as it could have been
so that may be a policy
issue that this board should perhaps
address in the future
board member please
just a couple things i wanted to um go
back into the vicious dog
when we talked earlier about
the holding people accountable for
vicious dogs and and charging
another thing we didn't say is
when we do hold these people accountable
a lot of times depending on the severity
of the dog attack
and what happens
at that point we also get the sheriff's
department involved because you could
put possibly be looking at potential
felony charges depending on what has
occurred and i'm sure the city is
probably looking at that at the same
same token depending on what the
elements are there on the crime
so
that sometimes has occurred with the
county with lately on some a lot of our
cases lately as you could see we've had
one with
a while back with a child
that
that went over to the sheriff's
department in regards to those charges
so those are
something that come can come to play as
well you know we can respond the officer
will respond
and we partner with the sheriff's
department
in regards to that and then i wanted to
clarify in regards to the
10 day on the petition 10 days
we file the petition at the same time we
pick up the dog we hold the dog for 10
days but the petition has to be filed
within the first 14 days once we get the
dog into our custody according to the
state statute
another thing that me and gino had
talked about and you're wanting to know
what to do about these vicious dogs or
these dog attacks we've we've kind of
been discussing this because we've
noticed our numbers and their numbers
have gone up
we talked about
developing a task force in regards to
the dangerous dog act
and the city and the county and and
putting our resources together
and looking at you know
um maybe meeting and discussing like
what what are you seeing what are we
seeing what is the nation seeing what is
the state seeing what are the numbers
and what can we do
and how can we help each other in
regards to handling these cases because
we have seen an increase as well
and we know something something's up we
don't know what and i agree with gino
we've had a lot of covet i call them
covet puppies where people have adopted
animals during covid
now they've gone back to work and the
animals haven't been socialized like
they should be because of you know
things were closed down when they were
when they got these animals
and so these animals don't know how to
act or what whatever the case is
but they're not just animal bites
they're a lot of them vicious attacks
but we're not sure why we're seeing an
increase in that but it's not just
i've been looking i've been reading
it's not just here it's globally
so we've there's a lot of increase
globally
so we're looking at that and so we i
just talked to gino about this and so
we're looking at something like that
thank you
and i i really appreciate your inputs
and thank you
officer jimenez the title thing is
really hard for me i'm sorry i'm always
calling people the wrong thing mr
counselor board member officer sergeant
lieutenant
not my wheelhouse i apologize but thank
you for you
thank you for here
for your inputs
are there any other questions from the
board
and i just want to say i think
the part of the reason that i think
we're all thinking about this are very
proximate issues related to
dog attacks but i think we're also
thinking about all of the pies that we
have to think about human pie human
resource pies budgetary pies
sort of community
sort of resource commitments and doing
the best practices and thinking upstream
as much as we can because really we have
too many dogs
period we have too few responsible
owners for those dogs period and so we
have to think about where where where we
can interrupt that at every level and
i'm hoping that we can
think really critically in the upcoming
in our upcoming budget conversation
about where we where we invest in that
and what that means and what the
implications are for both the acos and
the ascmv i know that they're
big in both cases so thank you for for
giving that insight and i think that we
really appreciate your looking at the
trends and and sharing with us what you
see so you're welcome thank you
okay thank you very much
next up director thacker
please
good morning madam chair clint thacker
executive director of the amazon center
mercedes valley
if i could
if you could
um humor me for a moment and could we
have the cameras go to the back
of the area here because i just want the
people that have showed up and and
i want them to be seen they're not seen
by anybody that's on watching this on
television and things so i would like
them if they could hold their signs up
they could be seen and see why they're
here i think it's very important
you guys can come up here
because i'm not sure if we can like if
they turn behind you i don't know how
that works that's the only way that
camera complicated yeah yeah that's the
only way the camera will catch them so
they should come up here right right
behind you
and and madam chair i'm sure this is
going to happen and it's one thing to
obviously show but i'm hoping that mr
thacker will
address this concern as part of the
report since they've been waiting here
you know for that i think so i'm sure
he's planning to do it but i just wanted
to kind of make sure that
rather than going through a lot of
statistics necessarily
right now at the beginning that we might
want to address the concerns that are
being voiced here today if we'd like to
we could move public input up to right
now and we can discuss that i don't have
a problem at all
ah
there you guys were briefly on the i
don't know how the cameras work at all
among many other things
briefly there you go there we go um
and so i i just
there is a conversation about the hours
related to
being open at the shelter and i do want
to show that the community showed up
today to
to articulate this and and put it in the
public record and we do have public
comments which would come after all of
these reports so it would be a little
bit but if if you'd like we can also do
an immediate public comment right after
the this particular report so that you
all can
can share as well um so thank you for
coming thank you for caring i know that
that you are here because you care about
the animals at the shelter animals in
our community and and so i really
appreciate and i want you to feel seen
so thank you
and madam chair my encouragement is that
we've received emails
we know what the issue is i'm just
hoping that mr thacker will take the
initiative and address it
thank you even before public input
okay
thank you
mr thacker you all can if you would like
to sit down and stick around you'll have
the opportunity as well to to speak
so thank you for that
go ahead mr thacker
i just want to echo and say thank you
for them coming this their time that
they're here their sacrifice their they
made the time to do the signs and i know
they were outside i just wanted them to
be seen and because i know what they're
doing
uh is that a passion and out of
wanting the best for the animals and
that's why i'm here too
is is want the best for the animals and
that's why we're all on this together
so
there may be some disagreements about
how we go about doing things but overall
we're all here for the same reason so i
do appreciate that
so the director's report for this is
march but it is for the february numbers
just to review this really quickly 415
is a total count at the ascmv
dogs and 56 cats
our intake 2022 we had 597
february come in
and look at that in 2021 289 dogs
wouldn't that be great
i'm all for the
acos to report only to
in custody animals
i think i mean regardless of the same
number of animals coming to us because
what comes in comes in but
it does make sense for
that here's our transfer numbers this
transfers our rescues or places we've
sent our animals to
dogs and cats are on this list and so
are others
so again action program for animals is a
big help to us
because they take a lot of our
ones that would not be in the adoption
program sick injured
ringworm those types of animals so we
appreciate them very much
colorado puppy rescue continues to be a
big partner for us for our puppies those
numbers can add up really quickly
so with a mom that has you know seven
puppies you do that twice and you're
already halfway there so we appreciate
all that they do
enchanted past 17 cats that's a big one
as well
and the mile high
meows mutts and rescue group 14. we're
always looking out for new
rescues that are coming through and
again we appreciate all especially the
local rescues that they're doing even
taking one or two
helps out so we appreciate that
here's our returns for
february
uh
commissioner ellens uh clint uh halo is
a new rescue is it not
no that is not that's one we've been
with for about two years now
okay
can you describe it to me
they're based in phoenix arizona
and that's what they do is they take
animals from shelters and then they sell
them at their facility
okay i just didn't recognize the name
thank you
so this is february returns not january
and it's the animal health issues you
can see the numbers there seven total
dogs
and cats we had two
again whenever somebody comes and says
that they need to surrender an animal we
always go over why we need to get that
out
it's not just because i don't want it
it's well why don't you want it so not
only can we get better numbers from that
we can also offer
the rough to ready program with our
donut county humane society
that they come out and they offer free
behavior free come out to your home and
we can you know as the animal because it
goes in the bathroom all the time all
right well they'll come out and show you
some tips on how to
properly house train your animal you
know won't walk walk on a leash these
are all valid things that were that have
come up before you know dog goes after
the cat well let's let's get that rough
to ready program going we also offer
some food for individuals or we can give
them the food bank
information
especially the apa runs where they can
get some food
so as you can see even though we offer
those we had nine people come forward
and say we still don't want this animal
here's our outcomes adoptions we're at
24 reclaims at 10 percent rescued is 38
and a half percent community cats was in
of our outcomes euthanasia was 18.6
and our live release rate which means
animals that left the animal service
center alive was 83.2 percent
here's our use of the euthanasia reasons
behavior is the number one reason for
dogs so behavior aggressive what that
means is aggressive at the kennel
outside the kennel all just all around
aggressiveness it's not it's not just
one
the medical respiratory is our number
one reason for cats number two for dogs
that the tx means that they've had
treatment and didn't improve after the
treatment
and then the next one would be the
medical parvo i know we had some puppies
come in
with parvo so again those puppies
they test positive for it and we don't
have resources for it at the time so we
would need to euthanize for the parvo
our volunteer program is thriving we
have 674 hours for the month of february
59 for our dog team 16 and our cat team
with the current active as 228
current volunteers
so this uh they were a great help uh our
programs that we did during uh the month
of february
total visitors at the center it's really
evened out to the 830 mark and that
seems to be pretty much the average of
what's going on
here's our appointments for february we
had 167 of the appointments made 95 of
those were kept
and then 66 percent
110 were finalized adoptions
so 66
of
the appointments kept were
finalized
here's our walk-ins we had 101
walk-ins and that resulted in 27
adoptions in other words 27 percent
so 20 27 of the people coming in
ended in a finalized adoption i
shouldn't say people i should say groups
like if you know husband wife
a mom and a child
that's a group
so
website views
average there 35 800
down just a little bit it looks like
and our facebook views since november
has really leveled out the
2573 we hope
to see a spike in next month's report i
should say this month's report next
month
that's for the
our drive-through clinic that was a
huge success
and here are our pets of the week simba
and eva
uh simba's a male ava is i'm yes a male
and ava is a female
so i'll answer any questions
board member ward did you have a
question
i just have a quick
quick question in regards to the
animals that were euthanized for
aggression
um if you can go back to that chart
clint
in comparison in regards to our
questions about the aggressive animals
and what we've been dealing with is
there any way to get
the 2019
i mean 2020
and then 21 numbers
for statistical reasons on what we're
looking at
when we work on this task force so we
can have that for comparison as well yes
just let me know when you would like it
and i'll get that to you
okay and mr macias had to leave so he
asked me to vote in his
place
thank you thank you
um and just going back to this
aggressive question i do want to clarify
that's you all that's your assessment
that's separate from any assessment that
an animal control officer would do for
for an animal and that's everything's
taken in consideration
and so like if a nominal control officer
states this animal is aggressive it did
this and this
well a lot of times animals act totally
different when they're faced with a pole
coming at them or you know some type of
capture device or a uniform even
anything like that
and so we always try to mimic that same
behavior
so if the officer says it it was very
aggressive while on the catch pole
you know that's something we might try
we might move it from s from one place
to another we might
um approach the cage rapidly
i mean we we try to mimic that behavior
to see what about it is aggressive
um so yeah all those things are taken
into consideration and they aren't all
animals that came in for regret like
that that's not this is correct it's a
population of animals that are just
sort of that you have and okay
so
um just to clarify in terms of those
when we when we think about that it's it
might be a different set of dogs that
are showing those types correct you may
came in just fine no notes on on the
account and all it keeps attacking its
kennel mate
you know and that's something and we
look at that and take that consideration
too so a good point thank you thank you
madam chair another question
commissioner ellen
clint you've got 228
active volunteers
how does that compare to other periods
in time
i don't know the exact numbers but i
know it's a lot more we went through a
period where we did not have a volunteer
i'm sorry a volunteer coordinator and
then we did have one she was on for a
little bit and the program was just
getting off its feet and then now we
have one that really knows what she's
doing and has connections all over the
city so the 228 is a great number
and
they're there i mean you you see in the
pictures if you've seen on facebook
on instagram are pictures of our
drive-through clinic we completed last
week
it was phenomenal the number of
volunteers that were there so we
appreciate them
okay thank you
counselor
thank you thanks clint for your
presentation um
just to follow up with um board member
macias's um
comment and hopes that you would share
um
you know your thoughts about the hours
and why and um
as it relates to the the center
there's um
opening up fully
if if you would share that and then and
kind of
why we've landed in this
particular spot please
well
we did one last last month that i felt
explained where the ascmv was coming
from
and
there was still a desire even though we
moved our hours forward still desire to
have that expanded the visiting hours
whereas last month we did we had no
physical connection by physical i mean
an actual connection for the public
to walk through any areas of the center
that were not employee only places to
get to the other animals because the
center is laid out completely different
than it was in 2019 due to the
construction that we're having
so the end of the month
is
is when we're supposed to and we're
going to have a presentation about that
about our new facility but our parking
lot area
is supposed to be given back to us
at the end of the month
so we're hoping that's the case if they
can get it paved and everything
completed then we will have a pedestrian
gate where we can actually access around
the building and i apologize for not
having a slide or anything ready i was
on
i was out camping with the family from
monday until yesterday
and i did not know there was going to be
nobody alerted me until
wednesday afternoon i gotta received an
email from staff that
uh
i don't know if a protest or a
standing was was going to be here today
so i'd be better prepared
but the
so our thought is is possibly possibly
we can have
public go through it's right by my
office that pedestrian gate stay on the
sidewalk and come around because that
area will no longer be
a construction
area
and you understand they are very very
strict about osha rules and people not
wearing protective equipment when it
comes through a construction area
regardless
if the construction is nowhere near
where you're at
so and that was my thought is maybe we
could access that go around and they
could access two kennels you also have
to remember that even before the
pandemic the ascm b was never open to
the entire center for individuals to
walk through never
it had the s kennels where they were
their walk through now and then the
kennel behind that that was the extent
where people could walk
without being walked around by another
by another staff member
well the kennel behind them are all
stray animals they just came in so we
can't have them in that area
because they're not ascm v dogs yet
in order to access the other kennels
that are on the other side of the animal
service center would require them to
walk through employee only areas
areas where vet techs are with dogs
where dogs are
might be in kennels
in the manager's office i mean all these
things that
i don't want regular people to have to
walk through
and also cause disturbances
so if once again once we the end of the
month we're looking at we can extend
those hours and have access to the rest
of the animals that was the plan
thank you clint also
um
you have a slide i think related to
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yes the number of adoptions that have
occurred and where they go
the source of that adoption
yeah the source oh where they came from
is it this one well is it to um rescues
is it the public how many
um actual adoptions
year to year that come from the public
coming and viewing um
the the the animals
if you don't have it we should probably
start having it because
i think in reports year to year
we get more people viewing the animals
but never adopting them and i think that
percentage is very important for us to
know in the public to know
it is and that's the big frustration
that my staff has
is when i talk to my co-workers about
this they say you know
i have to stop what i'm doing and then i
walk people through and they say thank
you very much
and they're gone
and they said why can't we stick with
appointments where people know what
animal they want
so i'm not wasting my time
and the response that i give them is is
that let's
the public wants the walk-throughs
so let's look and see what we can do to
mitigate or come halfway between
ascmv staff and the public and that was
the point of extending the hours and
getting them out this is no longer a
covet issue i want people to realize
this i never
i only said covet when we talked about
the very beginning when
things were shut down this is this is
now just an access a control
environment issue is what we're looking
at
there's also issues that our medical
director cites
for for pro appointments is the amount
of noise in a kennel
that comes up is just phenomenal and
those animals that are shy or are timid
it's intimidating there's also the
factor of people putting their fingers
in i don't care how many signs you put
up
or
how many people are there
people still put their fingers in the
kennels and it's okay once but once you
do it twice whatever that first one has
is now spread to the other one and
that's for dogs and cats
so and also another issue is this is
dogs only
i haven't heard any complaints of the
cats because we have our adoptable cats
right there at the lobby and they're
seen
thank you glenn i appreciate that but if
you could get that slide together i
think it's important to have that with
the year to year
comparison it
is an important number for me anyway and
if you could do that i think it's
important so you would like just for
clarification you want a year-to-year
slide showing
the percentage of people adopting
whether they come into the center on
their own or made an appointment not
just people but
rescues
you know those animals that you send
right to which you have i think it's
important to have it in one place to
look at
it's not just people coming in and
viewing and adopting but also
these animals that are that you get
shipped out right that get adopted i
think i want to see it in one place
so this the one on the screen is not the
place you want to see that
because from what you're saying is you
want to see how what percentage of our
animals or
how they're leaving the center this
sounds like so we have the outcome slide
on the on the screen now that shows
what percentage of those animals
left in february and how they left
should send show me again which slide is
that oh i thought you guys could see
is it six
let's see
this one
yes but it doesn't tell me what the
source of the adoption is
or the you know so you want to broke
down of of what type of adoption i do
okay thank you thank you chair
thank you for letting me clarify that
thank you
counselor flores thank you madam chair
and thank you
board member gandara
what i first understood
a board member gandara to say
and
maybe she didn't mean but what i
understood was that she'd like a
breakdown
as to how many
adoptions
how many viewings result in adoptions
and
and that i think would be really good in
so far as
to see how
you know how much the the viewing
how much of the viewing really
contributes to
to adoptions and if there's a direct
correlation in the number going up
then i think that having that kind of
data clint or mr thacker
and um and the and the other data that
uh
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board member gandara was pointing out in
terms of because you did say that
it takes it takes
your
personnel
it takes time from their duties uh to
give a tour really it's it's really a
tour
and
and they have to be controlled for the
reasons that you stated it isn't a
playground it isn't a place it isn't a
dog park it's
it's a place where animals are being
protected and taken care of
so but i think that by keeping those
stats it might be helpful
to really push the envelope really push
the issue force the issue to hire more
personnel
because i think that is an issue
at the animal service center i might be
wrong
i think there are some vacancies so
i think those stats would help clint
okay thank you and it'd be and it'd be
good for us to see
for everybody thank you thank you
thank you councilor flores um i think uh
i just want to address a couple things
that i've heard and do also give the
public a chance to sort of give their
feedback but this is sort of the summary
of what i i've heard and so i think that
these statistics are important but
there's also
uh as much as we can do possibly to come
sort of think about this as
as a place we can come to the middle and
work together to to make sure i think
some of the issues that i've heard are
things like the animals that are being
seen are a subset
that may be curated so that that limits
the number of animals that are so for
instance certain size dogs versus other
size dogs and so
small dogs are always popular that so
then i think that those percent i agree
the percentages are important but i
think part of what folks are here to to
sort of
to sort of
talk about is is thinking about how to
broaden people's access to all the
animals in in person
and so i do think that there
that that
sort of critique is is understandable
and i think moving forward i i
assistant city manager enriquez and i
were just having a conversation today
and i think
we're hoping that we can also lend if we
could possibly lend some city resources
to shift because part of this is geo
bond construction
parking lots being out of out of order
where where can staff be or staff
transition from parking related issues
so i think if we can lend any any
resources and i'll defer to to acm
enriquez to sort of some of the things
that you mentioned this morning and just
now um to help support that
that goal of increasing access to
in-person viewing
and understanding that it may ultimately
land in a place that's a combination of
these things i i think we all know that
things have changed and
and the way we do things have changed
and having a new shelter means another
variable that we won't that we can't
rely on the data that we have
necessarily to understand
that so um and i deferred to acm
enriquez and and then i'd be curious to
hear if anything
might help
yeah thank you uh good morning all and
uh madam chair thank you yes uh if if
access is one of the issues and and with
the construction i'd like to sit down
with mr thacker and see what the
scheduling is for his staff and and then
also get with the project managers and
see what we can do as far as access or
alternative parking maybe even some
shuttling we we we have transit
available and maybe it can shuttle some
of employees but again getting with mr
thacker and seeing what their schedule
looks like for their staffing and how we
can accommodate that so that the public
can have access to the facility so we
can work on some of those things
thank you
madam chair go ahead commissioner
orleans please
clint hiring more people is always
problematic
could you not use volunteers
to
escort these tour groups
we currently are asking for volunteers
to be on a schedule they come and they
sit
and have
sign people in when they walk through
the walk-throughs of friday saturday and
sunday they are notoriously unreliable
just because it's their time i mean when
somebody they might sign up for it but
if something comes up it's we're one of
the first ones to get to get cut because
you know they have something more
important
most saturdays and sundays there is not
a volunteer there to help sign up so
that would be my we are going to ask
volunteers when we start the the side
the new parking lot opens up so we can
have people walk through i don't have
any problem at all having volunteers
walk staff through or walk
people through
but i'm not going to rely on them
as far as the schedule lies because it's
it is a
hit and miss type of thing
all right
thank you commissioner ellens any other
questions from the board
now
um i do think we would normally
keep moving because i think we have a
couple other committee reports and an
action item
um i'm sort of looking to the board to
provide me guidance here and and
uh should we
i have a feeling that we should uh move
through these things so to make sure
that we go through our action item to
get to public input um because i'm
worried that we'll
that that the action item might be
delayed if we if we have public input
right now um with the consent of the
folks here i do think that the next few
items will be pretty
brief i suspect except for the
go ahead counselor
are you suggesting that we change the
order of the agenda
i'm suggesting that we stick to the
order of the agenda
so that we can get to our action
and then have public input after because
i know he had just mentioned that we
might have public input right now no
i i agree with you i think we should
stick to our agenda and move on okay but
i do want to make sure that we do have
robust public input and the folks who
are here have a chance to absolutely
all right thank you
director thacker i think next up
we have committee reports
um
i would appreciate the finance committee
up first
good morning madam chair members of the
board my name is josh saffel and on
behalf of the finance department of the
city of las cruces i would like to
present the unaudited financial
statements as of february 2022.
starting off looking at our statement of
net position
we've seen the general fund cash of one
million three hundred and ninety
thousand two hundred and fifty six
dollars uh receivables of three hundred
and eight thousand four hundred and
fifty five dollars for total assets of
one million six hundred ninety eight
thousand seven hundred and eleven
dollars
we have liabilities of fifty six
thousand four hundred and seventy one
dollars
revenue collected in advance of one
hundred ninety seven thousand eight
dollars
and this leaves us with an unassigned
fund balance of one million four hundred
forty five thousand two hundred and
thirty two dollars
looking at our change in net position we
see for the period total revenues of two
million five hundred fifty two thousand
five hundred 546
and total expenditures of 1 million 934
134 434
so this left a net change of 618
112 dollars
of that we see that the total revenue of
2.5 million was
66.4 of budget
and total expenditure was 50.3 percent
our budget parameter is 66.7 so we see
that the revenue is just about right in
line but our expenditures are under that
looking at the breakdown of revenues and
expenditures throughout the months we
see this is one of the few months where
our expenditures have gone slightly
above revenue for the period
looking at our expenditures the total of
course was one million nine hundred
thirty four thousand four hundred and
thirty four
of that by by type salary was forty nine
percent of those expenditures benefits
was sixteen percent
services was 18
supplies was 8 percent
temporary services was 5
insurance was 2 percent
capital was 1
and other was 1 as well of the total
expenditures
and that will conclude my presentation i
stand for any questions
thank you for re-upping ava and simba
any questions for the board
i have a question thank you so much
for your presentation mr sapple
can you go back to the liabilities
page
so my question is
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we have our liabilities and our capital
asset
our assets and our liabilities match up
no problem there
okay
page three
um
so
to me or my understanding is that
liabilities are equivalent to
expenditures or a lot or alternatively i
think maybe
liabilities are allocations of funds
that are going to be expended and the
total expenditures are the ones that uh
that represent the liabilities that have
been spent to date
the
the best way to think about it
when you're comparing balance sheet to
income statement which is basically what
the difference is here
when you're looking at the income
statement this is basically operations
the revenue is the money that we're
bringing in expenses money that's going
out and that's like really our main
focus because that's really what we want
to see
but when we look at the overall
performance and what's really going on
that's when we look at our balance sheet
because that shows us basically the
assets this is what we have at hand to
work with is our total assets our total
liabilities are basically
what's going out
so when we look at liabilities that 56
000 that makes up
actually
expenses that are upcoming so they're
not expenses that have been paid yet but
they're um
soon to be we know that we owe this
money and so that's what the liabilities
are the revenue collected in advance
we've talked about that in the past
that's that's revenue that that we've
received but technically we can't claim
it until we've expended it for that
actual program
so what we see is the fund balance is
basically the way that the income
statement comes into the balance sheet
so the fund balance represents that
difference between revenues and
expenditures that difference shows up as
fund balance
in the balance sheet
okay but then when you go to page three
it shows that the net change is 618
thousand
uh
112 and that will not change based on
page two
no the net change it refers to our net
change in fund balance so
for the period this is just the income
statement looks at the year uh the the
year
whereas the balance sheet looks at
the life
of the entity
so
when we look at change in fund balance
that 618 000
is the difference between revenue and
expenditures
so the fund balance is changing by we
have more revenue than expense so the
fund balance is increasing by six
hundred and eighteen thousand when you
look at the unassigned fund balance 144
or one million four hundred forty four
thousand
six hundred and eighteen of it comes
from the income statement the remaining
is the previous balance from the
previous year
so at the end of the fiscal year which
would be june 30 2022
would that 618 000 dollars plus still be
on that line yes okay i mean if the 618
is what we end up with at the end of the
year
and it should be
well it
because it's all projected already right
well again it's all it's all dependent
on as as we go through if expenditure
should increase for some reason or if
revenue should decrease
that number would change i don't expect
it to change much at all but it's
possible that it won't be that exact
number and if there are changes aaron
then uh you you to me cpas are magicians
because
for me
it's just almost like a mystery when i
read these and that's why i ask all
these questions it is it's a mystery to
me
you know
i mean i'm not a biologist i'm not a
scientist i'm not you know nicola testa
or anything like that
so i ask a lot of these questions
because we are ultimately responsible as
a board for the uh fiscal uh health of
of uh the
the animal service center
and i just want to make sure that um
it's and i think also it's good for the
public to understand
that
you know
money has already been allocated for so
many things as these sheets show
for everything yeah
and um
and so and six hundred and eighteen
thousand dollars isn't a lot of money
between now and the end of the year i
mean the end of the fiscal year which is
june 30.
so um so thank you so much for
explaining it to me and thank you for
all your work thank you and thank you
madam chair
thank you very much any other questions
from the board
all right hearing none thank you very
much for the finance report and also
just just to the public knows the city
of las cruces one
has a number of administrative functions
in relationship
and as defined by the joint powers
agreement with the animal services
center one of those is is the accounting
is housed within the city of las cruces
just to clarify even though we do have a
joint
relationship with the county um hence
the finance report from our city staff
so thank you
all right next up is the executive
committee meeting and i did
we did have an executive committee
meeting that was attended by by director
thacker and i and we worked primarily on
the
agenda that you see here some updates on
the con the construction and and what's
been happening um in the context of the
shelter and
that's about it but we didn't have a
corn we didn't have the the full
executive committee there so that was
our primary focus was was setting up the
agenda
for today so that's my report from there
and the facilities report i think
there's some substantial there's some
substantial updates related to the
facilities so
counselor gun yes
seems like ann's ago that we met right
clint but we do meet we're pretty
regular at it too and we've met via zoom
and
lots going on with facilities
with our new facility as well
still having some issues
with
different things
and i'm like feverishly trying to find
my notes clint and which is no surprise
right so if you can help me
um you know with that i
i think
there continues to be some issues
related to the building that clint and
our facility staff through the city are
working through one of the things that
i've asked clint to do is to have a more
consistent conversation with assistant
city manager eric hendrickas related to
that i hope that happened as we meet so
early in the month
um that
and
that that so much changes at this point
in time so
um clint could you give us some updates
related to
to that
well we did make arrangements for uh the
i guess tom what's your title
program
what's your title
project our project manager over the new
center that's being built
made arrangements for him to come and do
a presentation today to update us on
some of the challenges that's gone forth
with uh the news center
being built and completed
the uh so the completion date has gone
back and forth a little bit so we'll get
a final date on that
um the as far as meeting with assistant
city manager i did not sit down directly
with him but we were both in the
meetings where we discussed
the go bond initiatives and we're both
familiar with those challenges
especially the ones that tom's going to
be talking to
more specifically for the existing
center
we talked about our door frames and
doors are rusting out in the bottom
because of all the water that's being
sprayed around and used and these are
original doors from when
the projects were completed i believe
some of them were from 1985 and then
others in the 90s when
an addition to the center was done
so we just got a quote back for those to
be replaced
we are reusing
the stainless steel i call them a kick
plate but the plate that's over the door
we're using some of those because
they're perfectly okay
they just screw into the metal door
some of we are replacing two of the door
cases or the door frames
and it's going to be tricky because most
of them are filled with cement
so
it's again it's going to be loud
and
some jackhammering down on those areas
in our reclaimed kennel which is the big
green tent area
we are getting some cement poured so
that's so we can
purchase more kennels or kennels that
are better utilize the space than what
they are now
and
so then they'll technically
kind of be indoor outdoor kennels
guillotine doors will be able to be open
and the dog can go from front and back
all on cement so that will be great
we're also looking at getting a
pouring a cement slab or footings for
one of the transportator containers and
that will be housed by our
facilities specialist
and so he can have a place he can call
home and put all his tools and things
and
be able to because he's going to be busy
with two centers here in the next year
or so
so
without that
gandra is okay if i turn it over to
absolutely thank you
i just have to say how quick this thing
has gone up
i i went up there um just a couple of
days ago and i was
oh my gosh there's it's awesome so thank
you for all your work yeah sure yeah
so
good morning everybody
my name is tom gallagher i'm a project
manager with public works and
this is my project um
and i'm here to give a facility update
um let's see tommen if you like you can
move the microwave closer to you if you
need to raise the
the the whole entire um
speaking podium if you will you can do
that it's to your right a button
apparently
on the right hand side i think on the
podium podium itself
oh i see
yeah yeah whatever isn't it cool yeah
surprise nobody has used this yet
um okay today no they usually do during
council meeting right because
everybody's
height is different but yeah
okay well let me pull out my notes here
um
so
um i just wanted to look at the major
milestones here
grading
was was a huge portion portion of the
project
obviously there was a lot of a lot of
ground and dirt to move
for the project and
that that came in
that was the first thing to be handled
and then
handling some underground utilities
there's some electrical and plumbing
that needed to be brought in and
then we we worked through the
site concrete
pouring the base of the the foundations
of the the buildings and
and the
kennels
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as you can see here they
started exterior framing
and structural steel has been put into
place
the cmu walls the brick
the concrete
brick looking
are about 99 complete at the at the
kennels
um
and
you can see here they've they started
roofing within the past two weeks and
they're really coming along well
there and they've started
sheathing and fire proofing
that is the
yellow
boards that you can see there
and the roof deck
and they've begun in interior framing
with studs from uh throughout the
interior of the
the building
along with
mechanical electrical and
plumbing rough-ins for conduit raceways
and whatnot
site challenges
as you can see here in the image
el peso electric had
these power lines that were running
directly over
where the new building is is now being
built
and that was quite a coordination that
we had with el paso electric and
comcast had had their lines on here as
well as verizon
and centurylink
so that was quite an undertaking
and a big collaboration
coordination with el paso electric
so these these lines were relocated to
the south of the new
property
uh where's my image there well we got
one here
um
one of the challenges we had was in
december
on the 11th there was
40 mile per hour winds which actually
damaged the
newly installed exterior
framing studs
we went out investigated and
were able to identify
all of the the studs and marked what
needed to be replaced and i think it was
probably around 30 40 percent of the the
newly installed
studs that needed to be
removed and replaced with new
ongoing challenges uh are also
we're seeing procurement issues um we're
hearing from the contractor
um they're
they're able to
to buy
the materials that they're they're
needing but
it's it's
equipment and
raw materials are taking longer to to
show up
we've also seen
drastic changes in pricing and current
construction materials especially
roofing
and i'd say that that's
affected
our our ability to
to value engineer some some of these
upcoming
changes that are that are coming but for
the most part um
uh
we're not seeing too much too much
affecting us negatively with with
pricing
um
and
this this isn't like an industry-wide
um
issue that that we're seeing still
impacts from covet 19 and just the
production of material
and recently there
the i know the hardware
door hardware is
is
most likely to be delayed
we had an issue with with the door
hardware
access control at
the fire station as well which has kind
of
pushed back our our opening date um on
the fire station three
um so
that's why we're we're thinking we might
see some of the same issues here
right now we're we're showing 49
complete that was as of march 1st
and
technically our contractor is is
behind schedule
and
though we haven't changed the contract
end date we're still showing september
30th
we might
be looking at
possible october november
for actually turning the building over
at this point
and that's my report
thank you very much i would entertain
any questions from the board but i do
just want to clarify i recently learned
what value engineering means it means
crushing the dreams of everyone for what
they hoped they would get and like
getting what you can actually afford i
i've been value engineering my life
ever since so thanks for sure
keeping up with the value engineering
basically yeah crushing dreams and
trying to save money
so i'm value engineering my summer break
right now so
all right uh councillor flores and then
councillor kandra i think thank you
madam chair
and thank you so much mr gallagher so
um
i think i'm concerned about
our go bond obligation the obligation um
well it's
general obligation
bond but i'm going to say that we
also have a completion date um
that has to be met under the uh the go
bond that's what i meant by we have that
obligation
we have
we have the go bond we all the way
around so and i am concerned and i think
that everyone knows that everything has
gone up i mean the price i mean and
lately it's of course gasoline we're
very aware of for a different reason but
we still have
like the price of bread is amazing and
and meat and all that sort of stuff
it's just amazing how everything has
soared
but i know that in our
procurement code
we do
in contracts there's always a
in all the contracts there's a certain
amount of um
increase you know you can go back so i
you're probably that's too much in the
weeds for you
and well for me too but i mean just uh
given that there is that allowance
built into the procurement code
and in contracts with our contractors
has that been working do you know
um or do you foresee delays that will go
beyond december
are you referring to like liquidated
damages
if they go beyond yes
liquidated damages and also um just the
price of goods
i know that uh the uh
contracts do allow
i think either 10 or the acm isn't here
he might know but
it's either 10 or 20
um
for adjustments given unforeseen
conditions that arise after the uh
contract has been entered it has been
entered into and agreed upon
um
so are you privy to any of that
or does it come to you
it probably does come you have to know
right i mean yeah so we should know um
we we haven't seen
too much because um you know we we
release the contractor to order or start
procuring materials at the start of the
job
so they they start writing their
contracts at the beginning and ordering
their material so their their prices are
are pretty much locked in
um if there's any
uh changes that come up any
uh
like if there's any issues with roofing
or
uh getting materials then then
we
we do have i believe it's it's a a 10
um
in the procurement code
but
we haven't really seen any any uh any
increases for changes
yet for so far as prices but you are
seeing a problem in receiving those
goods because of the availability yes a
scarcity or availability and so far is
too expensive for the contractor or the
the uh i believe it's just yeah it's
just a lack of of materials for
for shipping everybody is out there
trying to to acquire
materials and it's taking longer for for
them to
manufacturers to to produce
the the materials
so mr gallagher do you think that um we
will be on schedule and we'll be able to
have it finalized by the end of the year
as far as i can tell our our contractor
is
is still
aiming for that september 30th date
um
but it's possible that that we we will
not hit that date and uh i i'm just
i'm seeing it on other other projects as
well and
like the fire station three was supposed
to be complete in january and now now
we're at march and it's it's finally
getting getting wrapped up and we're
we're getting the remaining materials
that that we needed
there to to wrap it up so
i'm not i'm not imagining it's going to
take any longer than
a couple months
so that's why i'm saying maybe we we
might be looking at a november
date
that's good news
given the context and the conditions
that we face today thank you very much
mr gallagher and thank you madam chair
counselor kandra thank you chair karen
thank you mr gallagher for
your presentation and all your work
again
um you made mention um issues with
procurement but
you weren't very specific so
could you be specific
and no criticism i just i just want to
be sure that if if there is
from the administrative standpoint that
i'm aware so that i could speak to city
manager um pili about that and make sure
um that that we're doing what we can to
free that up and make sure that it's
timely
um so yeah procurement in in the sense
of uh what what the the contractor is
actually
trying to acquire and bring to the job
for for installation okay um so yeah raw
materials like um the steel for instance
and um the the roofing
material and the sheathing material
um
those those are some of the biggest uh
issues that the industry but not
internally to the city and its processes
no okay perfect thank you just clarify
thank you so much
so you were specific
i was looking when i heard that i was
like oh no is it internal to our you
know our processes so no thank you yeah
speaking toward towards the contractor
yeah yeah thank you so much um thank you
madam chair
thank you council again any other
comments from the board
all right thank you so much i really
appreciate your sharing and
and keeping us up to speed so thank you
okay the next item on the agenda is our
action item
uh resolution
2022-04 to accept the 30 thousand dollar
petsmart charities major initiative
shelter impact relief grant
good morning good to see you please
state your name for the record yes good
morning uh chair karan board members
elaine staccara simon i'm grant writer
for the ascmv
and this morning i'm here to tell you a
little bit about the petsmart charities
major initiative shelter impact relief
grant that we've received petsmart
charities purpose behind this grant was
to help get animals out of the ascmv or
whatever organization they were granting
with a positive income and that was
defined fairly broadly under the under
the grant
this invitation we received was actually
outside of their normal grant cycle
in fact we were the ascmv was one of
only i believe it was 24 organizations
that were invited to apply which is
great um right you think you know but
it's not because they like us that much
it's because of our high intake
all of the 24 invitees
had been identified by petsmart
charities as having exceptionally high
intake um so that's why why we were we
were contacted and invited to apply
so for our application we sat down and
tried to strategize
ways that we felt that
this would accomplish obviously the
petsmart charity's purpose to get
animals out with a positive income and
we looked at two specific areas the
first one was a way to augment
our
our commitment to the community and
community members who are animal owners
and the other one was to augment our
commitment to rescue and transfer
partners whether they are local or
whether they are out of state
so with regard to the community members
and this was we sort of divided our
application more or less half and half
working with community members um about
50 percent of this funding is going
toward
rtos which you may know is return to
owners we looked we had looked at a
period of about eight months in 2021
and during that eight month period we
had rto'd
695 animals
when we return an animal to its owner we
ask
would you if it's not altered would you
like to get it sterilized you know this
is the price
and
most often the answer is no some of
these animals are of course already
altered but most often the answer is no
in fact during that same out of those
695 animals we sterilized only 151.
most often the reason that people
decline is they've paid the impoundment
fee and the boarding fee etcetera
whatever vaccination fee and they may
simply not have the funds available to
move forward and do this
so
this
fun this
set of funding now gives our front
office staff the opportunity to sort of
work with the people who really want to
get their animals sterilized and there
are these people and offer them some
assistance so that's that's half of what
that's half of what this funding will be
used for
the other half is
um using the funds to be able to pursue
new
rescue partners
and also incentivize the current ones we
already have
by sending them our animals that are
adoption ready meaning that they are
they are sterilized they are already
altered for example if we hear from a
rescue partner that you know what
we could take ten animals from you
um but if you
sent them all
you know sent them all already
sterilized we could take 20. okay we'll
take care of that for you so that's what
that that funding pays for is to try to
incentivize rescues to take more of our
animals and to to attract new rescue
partners as well
so we have until the end of november um
to meet our goal um which is 353 total
animals impacted so far with the rto
program we have
sterilized 39 animals our goal is 174 by
the end by the end of november for the
rescue transfer partners
that number is 27 we have 179 to reach
by the end of november
and
that is my report and i'll stand for any
questions
thank you very much um
any questions from the members of the
board
counselor flores thank you madam chair
and thank you so much for your
presentation so
uh this is a grant that we've applied
for and waiting for results no we have
received oh you have received and there
were 24 invitees and were i think the
number was 24. okay 23 or 20. we were
the sole recipient um i i met i expect
not
i expect that if they
um
made an invitation outside of their
grant cycle i i don't know this i'm this
is just my opinion i would expect that
if they invited someone to apply that
that the invitees received funding okay
and what geographic area did the
invitees
what geographic area were they from i
don't know the answer to that question
okay because petsmart i think is
national or international uh business
right i it is petsmart charities i do
not know if they are national or
international um across the united
states of course right right okay
and um
okay so it was received and so this is
um
so
why is it an action item we need to
accept it excellent oh we have to wow
maybe as a french would say i would
entertain a motion
barring any questions so no forget the
questions thank you very very much thank
you thank you
i would entertain a motion to accept
this grant so moved thank you councilor
flores second candara thank you thank
you councillor
i would please
certainly board member award
yes board member flores
yes board member ellens
yes
i need you on the microphone mr ellens
please
yes
it's
yes thank you very much board member
gandara enthusiastically yes
chair quran yes thank you
thank you
yeah now we're on to the section of
public input and i thank you for bearing
with us those of you who are here
and who showed up this morning i know
there are a lot of you
outside
and so
typically public input is
i'll do it in the in the fashion of the
mayor at city council meetings going
starting to my left going row by row
typically folks have three minutes to
to
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sort of talk and
please when you come up state your name
and if you have any organizational
affiliation that you want to share
please share that before you start in
the public input so i'll start here um
to my left
the first row do you anyone if
no pressure it's not like you have to
speak everyone congratulations you're
out no go ahead
hi good please
i'm harriet dan house and i'm a
volunteer with the
animal shelter and a foster
so i would just like to
thank you for allowing us to come up
here and speak
one of the points that was raised by
miss ward was
you know some of the people don't have
internet access and so
if we're
creating these appointments and having
people pick their dog that they want to
visit
by going on the internet to the website
to look at the dogs then not everybody
has access to that or
you know people not everybody has a
smartphone
so that was you know one concern of ours
um the the big concern is that we only
have the small dog area open right now
and that's 18 kennels there's usually
two dogs per kennel so that's a very
limited number of dogs being seen
as a volunteer i go into most kennels
and can go in and walk a dog
so i have access to those areas so i'm
just wondering why the public can't have
access to those areas
and i understand there's construction
and
there's not easily
navigated paths
for those back kennels out there where
the large dogs are housed
in mr thacker's
presentation or board meeting last month
he didn't identify there is an area
called the r area on the shelter map
and that's an outside kennel that houses
50 dogs it used to be called the
reclaimed area but it's not for
reclaimed animals it's actually where a
lot of the long-term large dogs are
housed
and that is accessible
going outside so we could easily create
a path down to that area
right now it has tarps on the outside
that protect
those 50 plus dogs from the elements and
we could easily just roll those up it's
not in inside the facility so noise
wouldn't be
necessarily an issue
so we were hoping that we could get that
added to the public so they could view
that area as well during the
walk-throughs
also
you know i had the
the director the medical director call
me on the phone to
go over some of my points that i'm
making and suggestions that i'm making
and one of her things was we don't have
walk throughs other times of the week
because of the parking lot there's not a
lot of parking there
you know but if we expanded the times
that we do have walkthroughs and have
them every day for a certain amount of
time
then that would possibly limit the
amount of traffic in the parking lot at
one given time because right now it's
only three days a week
four hours at a time that's 12 hours out
of 61 hours that the shelter is open to
the public i know they do other things
there i've been there it's really busy
hiring more staff would be wonderful
i know that's not a fast process either
but i would you know encourage them to
specify to
volunteers you know what is needed at
these walk throughs and say hey we could
open up some of these other areas if we
had volunteers signing up but i know we
can't rely on them necessarily as
mr thakura pointed out
do you want to
say anything or okay
okay okay
um
so we so we are just wanting to work and
come up with solutions um one of
somebody pointed out about the
walkthroughs and people just kind of
using that for a fun activity to do and
that is true like i understand that
however
i also know that sometimes people walk
through the shelter they they might not
see the one that they want at that point
in time that's why they don't end up
finalizing an adoption after that
also you know as a friend of mine did
she wanted to really think about it so
she went she viewed an animal but she
had to make an appointment so she only
got to see one dog
and you know it was during a specific
time
so she saw the one dog and it didn't end
up in a finalized adoption because
they're still thinking about it they're
thinking about when would be a good time
you know that is that's very responsible
for somebody to just
think about it thoroughly so just
because it doesn't end in finalized
adoption it could be that it's a
thoughtful process and that's why
you know possibly those percentages
aren't as high it might not be just
because people are using it as a fun
activity to do so
yeah thank you appreciate it
thank you so much for presenting clear
solutions and your ongoing volunteer
commitment and commitment to the animals
in our community is really really
critical and we appreciate you being
here and you both being here so and you
all being here so thank you so much
okay i will keep moving through
second row empty third row
any
takers on public comment
fifth row i think is the next one where
there are folks
sixth thrill
while you guys are deciding i will
invite mr bryce down to to talk and then
you guys can figure out so that you
don't feel stressed picking who's gonna
yeah every there's no limit you can talk
no pressure
any subject
frank bryce humane society southern new
mexico you kind of opened that up to a
little bit longer than we might need but
i'm going to ramble just a little bit i
want to thank these people for coming
i'd like to see more public input
working together and i've made four
little notes here
the first one is on
spring and neutering for cats
we need to get that back online
i think it's very difficult right now i
haven't heard anything update on it to
get a cat in there and get it spayed for
tnr
and
i'd like to see that back online a bit
better discussion get them in there more
easily
uh and uh
let me see where number two is there
uh referral of
stray dogs
we get a lot of people that come to us
when they take a dog or cat to the
shelter they say well contact
these other folks if they can't help you
we can
that's not that's not a good that's not
a good policy i'm really
unhappy about that
if the shelter could somewhere develop a
process
take the animal in and
and
evaluate it
it may not even be a fit to go back out
into the public we've had enough of
those kind of accidents
don't don't let that happen but find out
what needs to be done
and if they can do it within reason
then
the
animal adoption origins like ours can
take the animal and get it adopted
at a lower cost we'd assume the
maintenance of the animal but the spay
and neuter that sort of stuff would be
taken care of by the shelter
it's a little different approach but by
the time you send that animal out to all
of us
all around the circle and it goes back
to the shelter you just wasted time and
we don't have
we don't have the money that the shelter
has or the expertise
to get it in and even getting it into a
veterinary service
is not easy and it is not easy at all
so that takes that's that one that may
be being addressed with this grant i'm
not sure exactly some of this
information is all new
and let me find number three here
i would like to suggest
that
some consideration
be formed from the from your
organization to form a
special
public what i call it here a panel
to talk about these issues we had a task
force for the ordinances
but we don't have a task force or a
special panel to talk about what's going
on at the shelter
what can we do how can we work better
together what's going to address that's
not been addressed lots of things are
going on out there and good things are
going on
but some of it is pretty pretty
difficult to work around
and
my last one here is i'd like to
get a comment on the static of the five
dogs i believe it's five dogs that
i use the word terence is the owner
he's in the hospital they they have just
the dogs they got them day before
yesterday i think i got the notice of it
um
i was told that the dogs are going to be
spay neutered and
taken back to this individual but they
have to be out of the shelter by between
5 and 5 30 tomorrow evening
and they're all big dogs and i'm
fostering 16 dogs and five cats at my
place now i have to i have the
facilities but i don't have room for for
five big dogs and i'm trying to find
something to help them
i would like to know what's going to
happen
and maybe mr thacker can answer this
what's going to happen to those dogs
after 5 30 tomorrow evening
are they going to be spay neutered and
then something else not go
in their favor
that's that's my last my last issue
thank you
thank you very much i don't know whether
i said it loud enough i want to thank
these people for being here today it's
good to see public comment
thank you
i'm going to continue on with public
comment and then i'm not sure if we do
have a specific answer
in that case i suspect perhaps not
because it's pretty specific um other
public comment from the last of the
folks on the left
folks on the on my right
no
bernice no okay um
all right i i don't know if um
if mr thacker has any follow-ups or if
we should shift on to the next to the
next
agenda item which is chair and board
comments
madam cherry clint thacker executive
director uh two quick comments one to
frank bryce's i like i said i've been on
vacation i'm not aware
of any of those circumstances but i
could sure find out and then my other
one is with the
r kennel or we call it it's under r or
reclaim
um it's just a name that we gave it
under the green tent area it's currently
like i said cements is being prepped to
be poured on the outside areas so right
now it's not a place for
for volunteers to be or for staff to be
but again that is once we get that
parking lot area that's easily
accessible
that they can walk into so
it's not a matter it's it's more a
matter of um just the construction areas
and getting people to these places back
and forth safely is what we're going for
madam chair thank you very much i
appreciate that counselor flores thank
you thank you clint mr thacker
so um
the
woman who spoke left but
she indicated that there's an area where
there's a tarp and it can be lifted and
people can go around
um
you know i'm looking at it just you know
just trying to uh picture this process
and um
and and and the whole idea
i mean for me when i when i hear
um the so some of the solutions
and not it's not to be critical but but
i i do think
you know the l word liability
and you know and i'm wondering
you know i think well what if that tarp
was loose and it fell and it hurt
somebody or what if it fell the other
way and hurt you know the dogs and i
don't know i can't visualize exactly but
it seems like some of the proposals
open the door to liability
and
and you you're addressing safety
and the flip side of safety is if it's
not safe
it's there's liability and so i i think
that um
i i think that until the you know
everything
um
is finished up there and it becomes
safer to access
then we can address some of the requests
that are being made at this point i
don't think some of the requests that
were made are really viable
as as
as
concerned and as caring as as
the presentation the presenter
was
it just
does it raise red flags in your mind too
uh mr thacker is it just me
but
what there i think the biggest problem
is is if you want to come out and see it
and get a visual of it you're more than
welcome to and i would love to have you
guys there or
the board come and visit
the the issue with them lifting tarps
that's i mean the reason why they're
saying that is because if you go inside
the kennel the front of the kennels are
covered up
with plastic plastic corrugated stuff so
it's you have to tiptoe over to see the
animals they're they're not very well
made kennels um it was quickly put
together with the money that we got
uh from a grant to when we tore down the
the house that was there the trailer
that was in really bad shape so
well then lift up a tarp it's just one
of those silver regular tarps from home
depot that can be easily lifted up i
don't see a liability there the problem
is is that's what
i said is the forms and everything are
there for concrete pouring
so it's not a safe place for for my
co-workers nor for volunteers to be uh
at this time but once the concrete is in
then yeah people can just walk around
the outside of the kennels and we can
roll that up during the day for some
hours or maybe have volunteers there
they can just and they can see
again that kennel area we're going to be
purchasing new kennels for it
it's
and that's what i'm trying to get
through through this whole thing is is
that
better better results are coming it's
just not as happening as quickly as a
lot of folks would like to see
when the new center's built
people are going to be able to go and
look at dogs specifically
from 8 a.m until we close at 6 p.m
because we're going to have indoor
outdoor kennels and cleaning isn't a
matter like it is now like right now and
our whole existence that i'm aware of
staff has to clean before people can
come see
because it's a dangerous area with the
wetness and the hoses everywhere
so
public viewing isn't open until 12
o'clock anyways ever since i've been
i've been here
so
it when people say open the shelter or
open the shelter or let's open the
center
it there's there's some things there
that are a little bit misunderstood
and i've already gone over this before
you know the center's never been open
for everybody to come look anywhere they
want
um and and rightly so there's some areas
that just aren't safe with the animals
and fingers and kennels and things
so i'm getting ahead of myself but
overall we
the the areas are coming along
new kennels in this area where the green
tarp's covering when green tarp it's one
of those huge playground
fabric tops is what it is and again i
urge you to come see so you can see it
but so the kennels being poured
new kennels are going to be going those
we're working on right now and ordering
those kennels um it's a significant
amount of money it's almost 300 000 for
these kennels
because again value engineering
um
it's the amount for these candles just
skyrocketed
so we're working on rearranging some
money for those it's just it's all in a
process what's happening
thank you so much for your answer and
your explanation mr thacker and thank
you madam chair
thank you lynn thank you councillor
flores
thank you
mr thacker for for clarifying and being
here and and having this conversation
with us and with the public so thank you
and i will note that
um
even as the shelter is
it may not be open as much as it has
has historically been i was here when
the euthanasia rate was 30
40 at the shelter and so i recognize the
the importance of
of thinking about animals as individuals
trying to get them adopted trying to get
them rescued and i know that that is
all of our shared commitment and i can
see i there is a graph that shows that
dramatic change
that's behind this and part of the
conversation as well so i think
it's important to note that last up
chair and board comments i'm going to
start with with board member ward even
though she's signing something right now
or i'll start with
board member gandhara and and we'll work
our way down so that you guys can be
thank you chair koran
yeah
i thought this was a really informative
meeting so happy to see um so many young
people and the public here really
speaking
about
their concerns
related to the center we'd love to see
that more often i know it can be
difficult because it's happening during
the week and i think or during the day
and i think one of the things is
students are on spring break so what a
great educational opportunity to come
in
to council chambers and see democracy
and action
um i i do want to um speak to
um
you know just sending um positive
thoughts prayers healing light to penny
um
i know she's the artist that that had a
dog by i won't say too much more because
i know
our our codes our animal
codes officers are are doing the
investigation there's a gofundme account
if you're interested in in funding um um
providing some funding for her um
for her medical her medical care and and
and whatnot
um i know there are a lot of individuals
and as i mentioned um
earlier that are very concerned about
this
issue and just
issues in general
as it relates to the animal services
center codes and
um you know straight straight dogs and
vicious dogs and and those kinds of
things and i want for folks out there
and in the public to know that i'm very
committed in making
sure that we address this in in a very
strategic way
we've had a great conversation at
council
related to this monday
um and and i just want the public to
know i'm hearing you i'm i i i think we
need to have a
very robust conversation about looking
at our at our ordinances
and looking at what sort of resources
are necessary
um
you know to add a few things like a huge
media campaign
um related educating the public on
responsible pet ownership um maybe
and and codes has lcpd has
you know lobbied or advocated for more
ftes specifically to our animal
codes officers
and having the tools and the resources
necessary to do the work and and that's
always been
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a deep concern of ours of of mine and i
think of council frankly so we will have
a work session specifically to our
budget it'll be the first one from our
retreat and was that in january already
or in the end of january early february
so i invite the public to come and
really speak to
what they think their budget and it is
their or our budget collectively and
where the money should go and i would
love to hear
very specifically related to the animal
you know
service array of services what they
think the budget should be related to
that
i do know that i received as others did
i'm assuming i don't know i don't talk
very much about the kinds of emails
we're all receiving
but
we received a number of letters specific
to the issue brought to our attention
related to the center opening up
i really like to see those letters
because it appeared like they needed to
be either read into public comment or
into record here today
i think that's an important issue we i
had a number of them but i also read all
of them
and and they i feel like many you know
had very good points related to the
large dog the large breed dogs
sort of
how we are advertising these dogs the
kind of pictures um that maybe don't
represent truly what the animal looks
like and and so they asked do you have a
volunteer coordinator yes we have a
volunteer coordinator do we have
volunteers that come and take
professional pictures yes we do
i don't know how regularly they do that
but i i they were talking about the
pictures that are listed on our website
related to these large breed um animals
and so maybe um looking at clint um and
and and to the public
um if if you're a amazing photographer
we always need those kinds of things and
um
and and so we want to have very
professionally done
um
photography right pictures of our
animals um i don't know how possible
that is because i know staff is taking
snapping pictures and putting them on as
quickly as as we can or they can and and
and maybe we need to re-examine that and
see
how we can do better photography and
videos to really depict the animal in it
in its element um
and and so um i know to answer the
public comment related to the internet
no not having internet access
i'm inviting you um the library has
computers for the general public for you
to
to utilize um
and and and maybe that's not the answer
for everybody because of transportation
and and various things but i i think i'm
willing to
entertain some of the ideas um that were
put forth in the
in the in the letters and i i would
advocate that my counselor that are my
colleagues on the board look at those
very specifically and then i'm thinking
that maybe we need to do some events
very specific to large breed
um
be it bringing the large breed dogs to
the farmers market to petsmart but also
maybe very specific events that
highlight our large breed dogs i know
that every now and again the center does
do these sorts of
of a cute little monthly um adoption
events and they they focus on large
breed um maybe we need to do a little
more with that um and and so i i do
again i'm i'm very interested
i think we need to
utilize our task force that already
which is through the city and and have
these conversations more robustly more
regularly i know it was it was
put together quickly to
to look at our the rewrite of the
ordinances but i think it's something um
that we need to
um
we need to funnel through that that task
force and and that would be my
recommendation moving forward i'm chair
quran and so with that i'll turn it back
over to you thank you for the for the
time
thank you board member gandra board
member ellens
well you just stole most of my thunder
so
i'll be brief the thing that
of all the letters and emails and phone
calls that i've received
um
one in particular
corresponded with the impression i had
when i looked at the pictures of the
dogs
which is
that doesn't really reveal the
personality of the dog how the dog
reacts when you walk by the kennel does
it stick its paw out
does it look happy to see you stuff like
that
because
that was the impression i came away with
when i first reviewed the pictures and i
looked at them every few weeks to see
see who's still around or who's new
and i think the idea of
maybe holding
a focused event on large breeds
would be
something
that we ought to look into
and
i'll leave you to the implementation of
that
thank you
thank you board member allen's board
member flores please uh thank you madam
chair and i think that all of us our
community is
truly saddened by the incident
that occurred last week
i
i think that i know that the city
every monday we announce our pets of the
week
and
i i
have to say i think that the pictures
are really cute i mean you wish you
could just reach out and take one of
them home
or take them all home and i know that
clint
mr thacker i think
we had a discussion
about
how
how we're promoting our
our pets our dogs especially
and um
and because a lot of them are mix um
it's hard to tell exactly especially i'm
referring to the large breeds that
people
are concerned about
and
and i think we've stayed away from
saying
pitbull mix
and we've stayed away from
only because we really don't know you'd
have to do a genetic dna test to see
exactly
uh what breed the animal is and so i
know because there was one concern about
how
large dogs are you know their
they're characterized and the minute you
say pitbull you automatically think oh
you know vicious animal
um
and that's not entirely true anyway
um
one of my sons has a um
a pit bull mix i can say that because
little lola is not up for adoption or
anything
but um
she's the sweetest
animal i've one of the sweetest animals
i've ever known so
i'm i just want to say that the city is
very conscientious about that and is
definitely
has has deliberately or conscientiously
stayed away from
from uh
putting a breed name or
anything that might be
terrifying to people um
as far as taking steps for safety
it's really a community
you know it's a moral issue it's an
ethical issue that falls on the entire
community
and
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and to
to think that an ordinance is going to
take care of it
it's not and because when you have an
ordinance you have enforcement
and in order to have enforcement you
really have to have johnny on the spot
and when when uh anything occurs and so
um i and that's why i think i just fall
back on community education
and it falls on everybody's shoulders
it's not just incumbent upon the city or
the county
or the animal service center or one
entity it falls upon every one of us in
the city and
um
and we have to
move on
accordingly so
thank you very much madam chair and
thank you everybody
thank you
thank you board member flores
rememberboard
nothing thank you
thank you
in that vein thank you all for your
comments thanks to the folks who came
out today thanks to the city and county
staff for your thoughtful presentations
and continuing to to commit to work on
this
i do just want to say a few quick
updates on some things that are ongoing
i think
we are we are working on
thinking about our tnr
ordinance and i think that we we
continue to think about that and and
we'll keep working on it to make sure
that we
that we are addressing community cats in
the way that we
um intended when when the ordinance
passed last year and so i do think that
as far as things that are going on um
behind the scenes that combined with
budget related conversations i really
appreciate the
advance work that
clint and his team have done and that in
that vein
we are thinking about how to address
some of these systemic issues i think
that we're that we're really hoping to
make a big difference in and so i
appreciate all of you for being here
those of you that those the folks that
left it was really um it's really
heartwarming to see people who love
animals as much as we all do so so
um
hearing nothing else i would entertain a
motion to adjourn so moved by flores
second kandara
thank you
we could just
vote with your feet as they say i think
yeah you can just call it adjourned
the meeting is adjourned
right now
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